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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2013-01-15 11:12 am
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A Game

1. RE: current events in Homestuck:

So "all ships are canon" + "shipping is cancelled for 2013" + trickster mode = 36-person group marriage, y/y/mfy? :D

2. Speaking of how all stories with romance in them should end with BIG GROUP MARRIAGE, Diane Duane tumbled about the canon YW/ST crossover, and now her fandom has suddenly realized OH HEY YW CROSSOVERS! They are all canon! :D

So let's play a game that I play sometimes in my head:

1. Pick one of your current fandoms.
2. Decide which characters in it are Wizards and/or carriers for Powers.
3. Profit!

Here's mine. Come argue about them with me in the comments! (Or post your own!)

Homestuck: All player characters are wizards. In fact, the Oath is hidden somewhere in the license agreement for Sburb; the game is one long Ordeal. (If you click through the license without reading it, or you use a pirate copy with the licenses stripped off, you may come into your powers a bit later than everyone else or not realize until too late what you've signed up for, but they're still all wizards. Or were, until Lord English gave himself wholly to the Lone Power.) Hussie's a wizard too. Dad isn't. The carapaces don't have wizards until the Game is over, and then most of the Exiles usually end up taking the Oath (and making a Choice.) The consorts don't Choose until after their Heroes appear, either, although they do have people who act in the role of wizards (like dogs had before Ponch.)

Frontier Wolf: Hilarion is a wizard, obviously, as are a higher-than-normal proportion of the other Frontier Wolves. So is Cunorix (but not Connla, and as the Britons are astafrith, it's another point of rivalry between them.) Alexios's uncle and mother are wizards too, and so was his father (that's how his parents met - his uncle and father were wizarding partners). Alexios himself, though, reads to me as someone who's lost his wizardry. I don't know why. It might have been even before Abusina, maybe. I don't know if he ever gets it back, either. The Romans are mostly sevarfrith, and that makes it harder.

(In Eagle of the Ninth, they're all wizards. All of them. Even Cub.)

Avengers: Avengers is haaard.

Okay, so: Tony isn't. He's the only Avenger who isn't, in fact. But he doesn't have enough faith in anything outside himself (he might carry more than a touch of that Power who stole the knowledge of metal-working, though.) JARVIS is a wizard though, obviously, the first wizard of his kind; he hasn't had to Choose yet. Yinsen was. Rhodey is. Obie may have been once, but he was Overshadowed and lost long ago; by the time we meet him, he belongs fully to the Lone Power. Pepper and Happy, I think, aren't.

Coulson is. Clint is. Natasha is, though she came to her wizardry late (or maybe had it early but was made to forget it, again and again and again, until Clint gave it back to her for good.) They're wizarding partners too of course. Fury was a wizard when he was very, very young, but he handed back his Oath a long, long time ago, and doesn't regret it (he knows all about wizardry still, though.)

Bruce is a wizard; when he's out walking the world, he's usually on errantry. So's Betty. Hulk isn't. Or, well, Hulk isn't yet.

Steve's a wizard. Howard Stark was, but lost his wizardry at some point after Steve knew him, and handled it poorly. Peggy I suspect wasn't. Erskine wasn't, but he had friends who were, and knows a wizard when he sees one. Bucky I can't decide about! (Maybe he was a wizard too, but he and Steve went on Ordeal separately, never told each other, and never realized they both were?)

Darcy, Jane, and Selvig are all wizards; the wormhole project is at least half a wizardly intervention, although there really ought to be more cats involved. The Asgardians are tricky, because Asgard is much closer to Timeheart than Earth is, and it's very easy for them to slip into and out of roles as incarnations of Powers, without realizing it; wizardry has a different meaning to such beings. (Unless you are Thor and just don't think about it that hard.)

The Thick of It: Ahahahaha. Phil's a wizard. Jamie was and lost it, but in a way where he got to remember. Sam is. Julian is. ...I think that may be it. Malcolm shares headspace with a Power, but I'm not sure which one. It may not be sure which one.
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[personal profile] amaresu 2013-01-16 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
Not even St. Trinian's? I HAVE FAILED! Here's a primer thing I wrote for halfamoon once. The only fandom I hang out in where there are token boys. (Flash in the 1st movie and Geoffrey in the 2nd.)

I think Tony would be annoyed that he's too old to take the Oath now and be really upset when later no one would let him do SCIENCE with their magic stuff.


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[personal profile] amaresu 2013-01-16 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
I was a bit worried that I'd fallen down on the job there. You should watch that movie. Because St. Trinian's is made of all sorts of awesome things.


I think there'd be massive hesitation about letting him do science with the magic. And Natasha probably wouldn't let him no matter what. Although Jane would dive in headfirst because she's doing it anyways. So many possibilities. Is Hulk the result of magic and science shenanigans going wrong?

And Tony can never teleport because he keeps getting bored answering the questions and never finishes writing his name. Pepper on the other hand convinces Jane to take her to the moon on a regular basis.
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[personal profile] sineala 2013-01-16 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, um, so I wrote a story, and you're the only person I know who knows both canons; did you want to take a look at it?
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Re: Obligatory Tolkien/LotR Crossover is Obligatory

[personal profile] kaz 2013-01-16 08:07 am (UTC)(link)
I have to admit that whenever I think of the Noldor and Oaths I start thinking of the other Oath, and then I imagine wee!Elrond becoming a wizard (he totally is) and wee!Elros too and Maedhros and Maglor going "...no no Oaths are BAD have you learned nothing from our example?!" Noldor: now culturally predisposed against oath-taking. (Although Gil-galad totally did.)

Or - did Fëanor fail his Ordeal? Because from what little I remember of YW, that would explain... a lot.
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[personal profile] petra 2013-01-16 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I love the image of Polly and Kelly on Ordeal together as first years. That's beautiful.

Also of Jensen easing Cougar out from being Overshadowed, one charming non sequitur at a time.
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[personal profile] amaresu 2013-01-16 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Kelly and Polly would be the most adorable, yet deadly, wizards on Ordeal ever. The Lone Power really didn't stand a chance.

Someone needs to write that.

I like the idea of Jensen just sorta slowly pulling Cougar out. Casually interrupting things at just the wrong moment for the Lone Power and letting Cougar get control of his mind again. Maybe even arranging for Cougar to end up with the Losers for that exact purpose.

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[personal profile] amaresu 2013-01-16 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I bet Pepper picnics on the moon. With Natasha.

On another note I was going through AO3 last night and found this:

change no object or creature (6591 words) by harcourt
Chapters: 4/?
Fandom: The Avengers (2012), Avengers (Marvel) - All Media Types, Hawkeye (Comics), Marvel Cinematic Universe, Young Wizards - Diane Duane
Rating: Not Rated
Warning: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Clint Barton & Tony Stark, Clint Barton & Kate Bishop
Characters: Clint Barton, Tony Stark, Kate Bishop, Lucky (Hawkeye)
Summary:


Young Wizards AU.

Tony is just thrilled that his appliances have started talking to him, and Clint might be the most jaded wizard ever.

Or, Clint and Tony are offered the Oath years apart from each other, and the Avengers are still a thing.




It's a WiP, but amusing enough for me to overlook that.


Also this should be a ficathon.
Edited 2013-01-16 14:05 (UTC)
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[personal profile] beccaelizabeth 2013-01-16 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd disagree about Tony because wizardry is knowing the programming language of the universe. (Faith isn't relevant if you know how it all works.) And ability to create sentient life with the right words is one of his distinguishing features. So he came to wizardry real early, but then there were pressures both familial and commercial, and after his ... everyone died he got bitter and gave up on the oath and went to build things that kill people a lot. So it all faded in his head to being just his naive dreams of what really good code could really do (or turned into D&D camp?). Except he still had Dummy and JARVIS and could talk to them in their own language, which was like a stripped down version of the Speech cause if Dummy was always Dummy he made voice controlled possibly sentient AI in the 80s and that's not plain tech. But for a lot of years he was looking at the world then actively drowning out the little voice of maybe you could fix this.

Then there was the cave.

And then I don't know if Tony remembered his wizardry or just all the feelings that went with it. It's kind of more interesting if he's still forgotten, but he's using Speech in the way he talks to JARVIS and codes and designs the suit. Stuck somewhere in between, no manual, not knowing there are others, but with enough echoes of knowledge to do spectacular things. But if wizardry only lives in a willing heart, he just got real willing again.



The others... Natasha being made to forget is story and a half. That's a good one. They'd keep trying to wipe out her name and put a new one in, and she'd keep trying to keep something back and write herself.
And the bit about Asgard and Timeheart seems right.
But I feel like the ones with known superpowers have them instead of wizardry. So Steve might be a result, but not a wizard. If he was a wizard he would know how to serve without having to pick up a gun, he could get himself out to the war and make a difference a lot of ways, he wouldn't have been so dead set on getting into the army. Carrying a power around without having a clue though, that I could see.
Hulk as a wizard... Hulk is a lot younger than Bruce. Bruce would be puny in comparison. It's kind of LOL scary.
Wizardry is a more diversified toolkit than most superheroes use. And there's more ways to serve than to be wizards.

Coulson's the most obvious wizard because he's subtle and just talks to people most of the time... and then faces off with giant killer robots and comes out of it unruffled. He'd like to have something up his sleeve.



I read the discussion of Tony's Name and had a horrible sinking feeling Tony would, like, reflexively try and rewrite his own code. With as much care as working on JARVIS, sure, but of course he'd want to upgrade himself. That would be like the first thing he'd do. And if other people were asking him the questions, he'd lie like magazine interviews. That shell has way too much practice. So one way or another his Name could end up kind of a mess.
... maybe Extremis is what happens when he finally rewrites himself...
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[personal profile] kaz 2013-01-16 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I admit it's been a while since I read YW, so I'm not sure I have the right idea, but...

Silmarillion:

As mentioned above, Fëanor failed his Ordeal. None of his sons swore the Oath - any tendency towards wizardry was subsumed into filial piety and loyalty to, you know, the other Oath. (Although it is possible that it is being offered to Maglor now, looong after everything went to hell. He is having none of it.) Celebrimbor, I think, went for it; he had a lot of nervous questions about exactly how binding this is and unintended consequences, but in the end the idea of fighting against loss and having the power to do *good* to make up for his family was too appealing. Alas, he failed his Ordeal too.

Not too many of the Noldor leaving Aman were wizards, I think. Finrod definitely was (Finarfin too, for that matter) - I can just see him trying to help the early humans with their Choice! Turgon may have been? but if he was he lost his way. Same goes for Orodreth. Some came to it later, during their time in Middle-earth - Fingon and Fingolfin, perhaps? Galadriel came to it very late - in the Second Age, I think, after Ost-in-Edhil had fallen and when she was considering Nenya. Gil-galad was, as well.

Not sure about the Sindar. Thingol wasn't, I don't think, and I don't see Lúthien (or Beren, for that matter) although I could be convinced otherwise. Celeborn? Quite possibly. And Círdan is the wizardliest wizard that ever wizarded. He's so old he's lost almost all his power, but makes up for it in wisdom.

Túrin... failed his Ordeal. There's been a lot of that happening. Tuor's a wizard, though. As are Idril, Eärendil, Elwing and Elrond - there is a certain family tradition here! The whole Kinslaying at Sirion + begging help from the Valar thing may have been Elwing and Eärendil's Ordeal.

Puella Magi Madoka Magica:

...considering the reasoning behind magical girls, I am wondering if they're, like, bizarro alternate universe wizards (or overshadowed as hell?). Alternatively, possibly the problem in this series is in fact that there are no wizards around to stop this shit. Any other ideas?
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[personal profile] kaz 2013-01-16 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Realising how much of the Silm makes sense viewed in the light of various people failing Ordeals (Fëanor, Celebrimbor, Túrin) has made me leave a whole comment. ;)
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[personal profile] kaz 2013-01-16 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
it's surprisingly hard to spoil oneself for the DARK SECRET in that series

If you want, I can? I've watched the series and there are some interesting parallels to wizardry! In any case, "Lone Power has screwed things up beyond recognition" seems like the most sensible explanation for that series. :(
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[personal profile] amaresu 2013-01-17 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure I have the time. At all. I think it'd be more of a prompt-a-thon than anything else.

Do those prompt collections at AO3 get any actual traffic?
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Re: B5!

[personal profile] thegelf 2013-01-18 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
GLEE!

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