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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2013-01-15 11:12 am
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A Game

1. RE: current events in Homestuck:

So "all ships are canon" + "shipping is cancelled for 2013" + trickster mode = 36-person group marriage, y/y/mfy? :D

2. Speaking of how all stories with romance in them should end with BIG GROUP MARRIAGE, Diane Duane tumbled about the canon YW/ST crossover, and now her fandom has suddenly realized OH HEY YW CROSSOVERS! They are all canon! :D

So let's play a game that I play sometimes in my head:

1. Pick one of your current fandoms.
2. Decide which characters in it are Wizards and/or carriers for Powers.
3. Profit!

Here's mine. Come argue about them with me in the comments! (Or post your own!)

Homestuck: All player characters are wizards. In fact, the Oath is hidden somewhere in the license agreement for Sburb; the game is one long Ordeal. (If you click through the license without reading it, or you use a pirate copy with the licenses stripped off, you may come into your powers a bit later than everyone else or not realize until too late what you've signed up for, but they're still all wizards. Or were, until Lord English gave himself wholly to the Lone Power.) Hussie's a wizard too. Dad isn't. The carapaces don't have wizards until the Game is over, and then most of the Exiles usually end up taking the Oath (and making a Choice.) The consorts don't Choose until after their Heroes appear, either, although they do have people who act in the role of wizards (like dogs had before Ponch.)

Frontier Wolf: Hilarion is a wizard, obviously, as are a higher-than-normal proportion of the other Frontier Wolves. So is Cunorix (but not Connla, and as the Britons are astafrith, it's another point of rivalry between them.) Alexios's uncle and mother are wizards too, and so was his father (that's how his parents met - his uncle and father were wizarding partners). Alexios himself, though, reads to me as someone who's lost his wizardry. I don't know why. It might have been even before Abusina, maybe. I don't know if he ever gets it back, either. The Romans are mostly sevarfrith, and that makes it harder.

(In Eagle of the Ninth, they're all wizards. All of them. Even Cub.)

Avengers: Avengers is haaard.

Okay, so: Tony isn't. He's the only Avenger who isn't, in fact. But he doesn't have enough faith in anything outside himself (he might carry more than a touch of that Power who stole the knowledge of metal-working, though.) JARVIS is a wizard though, obviously, the first wizard of his kind; he hasn't had to Choose yet. Yinsen was. Rhodey is. Obie may have been once, but he was Overshadowed and lost long ago; by the time we meet him, he belongs fully to the Lone Power. Pepper and Happy, I think, aren't.

Coulson is. Clint is. Natasha is, though she came to her wizardry late (or maybe had it early but was made to forget it, again and again and again, until Clint gave it back to her for good.) They're wizarding partners too of course. Fury was a wizard when he was very, very young, but he handed back his Oath a long, long time ago, and doesn't regret it (he knows all about wizardry still, though.)

Bruce is a wizard; when he's out walking the world, he's usually on errantry. So's Betty. Hulk isn't. Or, well, Hulk isn't yet.

Steve's a wizard. Howard Stark was, but lost his wizardry at some point after Steve knew him, and handled it poorly. Peggy I suspect wasn't. Erskine wasn't, but he had friends who were, and knows a wizard when he sees one. Bucky I can't decide about! (Maybe he was a wizard too, but he and Steve went on Ordeal separately, never told each other, and never realized they both were?)

Darcy, Jane, and Selvig are all wizards; the wormhole project is at least half a wizardly intervention, although there really ought to be more cats involved. The Asgardians are tricky, because Asgard is much closer to Timeheart than Earth is, and it's very easy for them to slip into and out of roles as incarnations of Powers, without realizing it; wizardry has a different meaning to such beings. (Unless you are Thor and just don't think about it that hard.)

The Thick of It: Ahahahaha. Phil's a wizard. Jamie was and lost it, but in a way where he got to remember. Sam is. Julian is. ...I think that may be it. Malcolm shares headspace with a Power, but I'm not sure which one. It may not be sure which one.
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[personal profile] kaz 2013-01-16 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I admit it's been a while since I read YW, so I'm not sure I have the right idea, but...

Silmarillion:

As mentioned above, Fëanor failed his Ordeal. None of his sons swore the Oath - any tendency towards wizardry was subsumed into filial piety and loyalty to, you know, the other Oath. (Although it is possible that it is being offered to Maglor now, looong after everything went to hell. He is having none of it.) Celebrimbor, I think, went for it; he had a lot of nervous questions about exactly how binding this is and unintended consequences, but in the end the idea of fighting against loss and having the power to do *good* to make up for his family was too appealing. Alas, he failed his Ordeal too.

Not too many of the Noldor leaving Aman were wizards, I think. Finrod definitely was (Finarfin too, for that matter) - I can just see him trying to help the early humans with their Choice! Turgon may have been? but if he was he lost his way. Same goes for Orodreth. Some came to it later, during their time in Middle-earth - Fingon and Fingolfin, perhaps? Galadriel came to it very late - in the Second Age, I think, after Ost-in-Edhil had fallen and when she was considering Nenya. Gil-galad was, as well.

Not sure about the Sindar. Thingol wasn't, I don't think, and I don't see Lúthien (or Beren, for that matter) although I could be convinced otherwise. Celeborn? Quite possibly. And Círdan is the wizardliest wizard that ever wizarded. He's so old he's lost almost all his power, but makes up for it in wisdom.

Túrin... failed his Ordeal. There's been a lot of that happening. Tuor's a wizard, though. As are Idril, Eärendil, Elwing and Elrond - there is a certain family tradition here! The whole Kinslaying at Sirion + begging help from the Valar thing may have been Elwing and Eärendil's Ordeal.

Puella Magi Madoka Magica:

...considering the reasoning behind magical girls, I am wondering if they're, like, bizarro alternate universe wizards (or overshadowed as hell?). Alternatively, possibly the problem in this series is in fact that there are no wizards around to stop this shit. Any other ideas?
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[personal profile] kaz 2013-01-16 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
it's surprisingly hard to spoil oneself for the DARK SECRET in that series

If you want, I can? I've watched the series and there are some interesting parallels to wizardry! In any case, "Lone Power has screwed things up beyond recognition" seems like the most sensible explanation for that series. :(