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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2017-04-21 11:30 am

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1. Have I mentioned I'm planning to March for Science tomorrow? The weather will be good. Hopefully I will not get trampled or arrested. Yay science!

2. I am stuck in the slog of the 300s in my nonfiction reshelving project. I hate the 300s SO MUCH. The 200s are also awful, but in an obvious and easily fixable way. The 300s are just a MESS.

Like, 302.2 "communication" contains a book on noise and a book on the Comics Code. 301.4 "Family structures" contains a book on the history prostitution, a book on social class in 19th century Russia, and an anthology on nomadism. I have many actual books about family structures! But no, Matrilineal Kinship is over in the 390s. Love's Promises is in the 340s. The Bonds of Womanhood is in the 305s somewhere. But we must put the one on the history of prostitution and the one on Russian peasants under "family structures".

The 310s-350s are reasonably straightforward, although why "Statistics" is under social sciences I am not sure, but then we hit 36x "Social Problems, Social Services" and oh god. 362, "Social Work", gives us AIDs and a book on Deaf culture (my other book on Deaf culture is in 305.9 "Groups of People, Miscellaneous". Why the split? No idea except that Dewey doesn't believe Deaf is a culture and bluescreened on books about Deaf culture.) Books about nuclear bombs are all under 363.1 "Health and Safety". A book of stories about psychic detectives are under 363.2 Law Enforcement, not even True Crime. Meanwile under 363.4 Drugs, Abortion, Pornography (??) we have a book about the reactions to political cartoons of the prophet Mohammed (????) 369, "social services - other" contains everything relating to scouting, even though my scouting-related books are all old guidebooks about nature topics that barely mention the scouts.

I'm scared to look too closely at the 390s.

3. I am trying to catch up on the reading! But I just had Makt Myrkanna come in from the library plus the new Ashers and Ysidro book *and* the Becky Chambers books so this is tough.
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[personal profile] muccamukk 2017-04-21 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Books about nuclear bombs are all under 363.1 "Health and Safety"

That made me laugh.
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2017-04-21 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you have an objection to 398.2?

(398.2 is a bucket o'crap, which is one of the many exhibits DDC provides for organizing being inherently biased. But I did live in the 398.2 shelf as a child.)
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[personal profile] the_rck 2017-04-21 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I still get cranky that the Magic School Bus books all get shelved in non-fiction. That means that parents have to know they exist in order to find them and have to locate each title in a separate place. Those start appealing to kids at about three years old, but very few parents browse the non-fiction section at our local library to find things to read to their kids. The ones in my daughter's elementary school library pretty much never circulated in spite of the kids being really thrilled to read them when they got them in the classroom.
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2017-04-21 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I am really clueless about library organizations, but how is it even fixed in which category you have to put a book if you use that classification? Assign publishers their books to a group? I mean, I've sometimes noticed that English non-fiction books have keywords put on the imprint page, but those don't seem to be what you mean here?
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2017-04-21 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah. When I look at the books I have put into librarything and sort it with the Dewey option it some of the choices seem really odd. Like they put physics text in the same group as a biography of a physicist even though there exist a further subgroup for physics biographies. Even more puzzling is that they sorted the German translation of Flatland, which obviously is fiction, into physics as well.

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[personal profile] the_rck 2017-04-21 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Publishers do provide some cataloging information with their books. It's been about 25 years since I took cataloguing, though. At that point, non-fiction books had something called 'cataloguing in publication' (or CIP) data on the verso of the title page that included suggested subject headings and a suggested Dewey call number. A lot of very small libraries relied heavily on that because they couldn't afford to catalog things themselves or to subscribe to a service that would do it.

The cataloguing class I took emphasized that 'real' cataloguers would never, ever use CIP data because it's not fully reliable, but the instructor admitted that it really only mattered for very large libraries and for research/specialty libraries.

Looking at a non-fiction book I've got from our local library, the verso of the title page says that CIP data is available from the Library of Congress, so I assume there must be some sort of readily accessible database for that. (I haven't worked in a library for seventeen years, and then, it was a large research library).

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[personal profile] twistedchick 2017-04-21 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Re statistics -- used in every social science degree program that I know of, though pure stats should be under Mathemetics somewhere else. Re reactions to political cartoons of Mohammed, check the murder of French cartoonists by Wahabbist Islamites a few years ago because the Islamists objected to the portrayal of Mohammed in a cartoon. It's a thing, really.
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[personal profile] twistedchick 2017-04-21 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Drugs, pornography and abortion are the subjects of some of the most common statistical studies these days -- all three are political, can be bent by wonks using stats as weapons, and came up during the last election.

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[personal profile] king_touchy 2017-04-21 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Have I mentioned I'm planning to March for Science tomorrow?

Me, too! I'm bringing a car-load.
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[personal profile] siegeofangels 2017-04-21 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I always like browsing in the 300s because it is such a trove of different things. But I see your frustration. I was trying to classify a museum object the other day where our classification system goes by use, and only this one culture has this particular artifact, and I could not find an analogue anywhere. :/ in the end I just had to pick something and move on but it still niggles at me.
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[personal profile] the_rck 2017-04-21 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I have Opinions about cataloguing, but mostly they have to do with consistency throughout the collection and with putting things where they can be found by the people who might be interested.

Things like, if the Silmarillion is shelved as fiction, then books consisting of several excerpted chapters of the Silmarillion should not be in non-fiction in the 800s. Everything in one place or the other.

I'm still cranky that my high school library shelved Robin McKinley's Beauty in non-fiction (somewhere in the 800s, I believe). I found it entirely by accident while looking for something else, and I don't think anyone else ever checked it out in the four years I was there.
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[personal profile] the_rck 2017-04-22 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not so much concerned about uniformity from library to library. I just want a given library to have rules and stick to them. It's the sort of thing where it actually doesn't matter what the rules are as long as they're consistent within a given system.

So my complaint about Beauty is not that it was in the 800s in my high school library but that it was the only novel I found there.

The library I used to work at, the University of Michigan Graduate Library, frustrated me because they used LC for almost everything but then used Dewey for literature. Mostly, except when they didn't.

I tend to think that cataloguing priorities differ vastly depending on the type of library. If patrons are going to find things entirely by browsing (which many people, particularly kids, do in public libraries), that calls for different strategies/techniques than if patrons are all doing focused research. What works in one place will likely be terrible for the other.

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[personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart 2017-04-22 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
My big frustration is that the crafting books are higgled by some unknown force, so the crochet randomly occurs amongst the knitting and quilting. And then there are the patches of Craft By Holiday.
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[personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart 2017-04-22 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's because the crafting books often have Themes that outrank the craft, so crocheted afghans are in with quilts, and garment knitting and garment crochet are together. It's harder with some of the collections than others; the one closest to my house is a very short run of books in the Crafting, while another branch I use has Lots of Crafting. Of course, there is crafting that's not in crafting because it is Pop/Millennial Crafting. Something like that.

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[personal profile] jesse_the_k 2017-04-24 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I learned a lot from this post, please complain about cataloging anytime you'd like. You also prompted me to track down the "rule of application," and WOW! that analysis brings to mind Biblical exegesis.

Also, when I was starting out in disability studies (1970s) it was bizarrely difficult to find things to read. Electronic searching has made it easier.