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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2013-01-15 11:12 am
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A Game

1. RE: current events in Homestuck:

So "all ships are canon" + "shipping is cancelled for 2013" + trickster mode = 36-person group marriage, y/y/mfy? :D

2. Speaking of how all stories with romance in them should end with BIG GROUP MARRIAGE, Diane Duane tumbled about the canon YW/ST crossover, and now her fandom has suddenly realized OH HEY YW CROSSOVERS! They are all canon! :D

So let's play a game that I play sometimes in my head:

1. Pick one of your current fandoms.
2. Decide which characters in it are Wizards and/or carriers for Powers.
3. Profit!

Here's mine. Come argue about them with me in the comments! (Or post your own!)

Homestuck: All player characters are wizards. In fact, the Oath is hidden somewhere in the license agreement for Sburb; the game is one long Ordeal. (If you click through the license without reading it, or you use a pirate copy with the licenses stripped off, you may come into your powers a bit later than everyone else or not realize until too late what you've signed up for, but they're still all wizards. Or were, until Lord English gave himself wholly to the Lone Power.) Hussie's a wizard too. Dad isn't. The carapaces don't have wizards until the Game is over, and then most of the Exiles usually end up taking the Oath (and making a Choice.) The consorts don't Choose until after their Heroes appear, either, although they do have people who act in the role of wizards (like dogs had before Ponch.)

Frontier Wolf: Hilarion is a wizard, obviously, as are a higher-than-normal proportion of the other Frontier Wolves. So is Cunorix (but not Connla, and as the Britons are astafrith, it's another point of rivalry between them.) Alexios's uncle and mother are wizards too, and so was his father (that's how his parents met - his uncle and father were wizarding partners). Alexios himself, though, reads to me as someone who's lost his wizardry. I don't know why. It might have been even before Abusina, maybe. I don't know if he ever gets it back, either. The Romans are mostly sevarfrith, and that makes it harder.

(In Eagle of the Ninth, they're all wizards. All of them. Even Cub.)

Avengers: Avengers is haaard.

Okay, so: Tony isn't. He's the only Avenger who isn't, in fact. But he doesn't have enough faith in anything outside himself (he might carry more than a touch of that Power who stole the knowledge of metal-working, though.) JARVIS is a wizard though, obviously, the first wizard of his kind; he hasn't had to Choose yet. Yinsen was. Rhodey is. Obie may have been once, but he was Overshadowed and lost long ago; by the time we meet him, he belongs fully to the Lone Power. Pepper and Happy, I think, aren't.

Coulson is. Clint is. Natasha is, though she came to her wizardry late (or maybe had it early but was made to forget it, again and again and again, until Clint gave it back to her for good.) They're wizarding partners too of course. Fury was a wizard when he was very, very young, but he handed back his Oath a long, long time ago, and doesn't regret it (he knows all about wizardry still, though.)

Bruce is a wizard; when he's out walking the world, he's usually on errantry. So's Betty. Hulk isn't. Or, well, Hulk isn't yet.

Steve's a wizard. Howard Stark was, but lost his wizardry at some point after Steve knew him, and handled it poorly. Peggy I suspect wasn't. Erskine wasn't, but he had friends who were, and knows a wizard when he sees one. Bucky I can't decide about! (Maybe he was a wizard too, but he and Steve went on Ordeal separately, never told each other, and never realized they both were?)

Darcy, Jane, and Selvig are all wizards; the wormhole project is at least half a wizardly intervention, although there really ought to be more cats involved. The Asgardians are tricky, because Asgard is much closer to Timeheart than Earth is, and it's very easy for them to slip into and out of roles as incarnations of Powers, without realizing it; wizardry has a different meaning to such beings. (Unless you are Thor and just don't think about it that hard.)

The Thick of It: Ahahahaha. Phil's a wizard. Jamie was and lost it, but in a way where he got to remember. Sam is. Julian is. ...I think that may be it. Malcolm shares headspace with a Power, but I'm not sure which one. It may not be sure which one.
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[personal profile] ellen_fremedon 2013-01-15 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Natasha is, though she came to her wizardry late (or maybe had it early but was made to forget it, again and again and again, until Clint gave it back to her for good.)

Oh, ow. I could really see that.
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[personal profile] kittydesade 2013-01-15 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
The only reason Thorin hasn't/won't take the Oath is because he's still unsure if it conflicts with his Princely/Kingly duties.

Fili and Kili totally took the Oath. Together. In unison. The quest is their Ordeal.

Balin took the oath years and years and years ago. Dwalin eventually caught up with him.

If Bofur took the Oath he'd never ever ever ever tell anyone. Bombur took the Oath and is one of the best damn technicians out there. Bifur doesn't just speak Khuzdul and that's all there is to say about that.

Ori keeps looking at Fili and Kili and wondering quietly if it'll ever be his turn. Patience, young one. Nori hasn't taken the Oath but he, like Tony in some ways, shares brainspace with some Power. Dori... not sure on, but he has some idea of wizardry.

Bilbo is trying to deal with the Oath following him around going 'hem hem' all the time. When he gets back home to the Shire he finds himself writing the goddamn thing instead of his memoirs or anything else useful like that. He doesn't take it until he gives the ring to Frodo, though. In some ways because he doesn't feel worthy. Even if he doesn't know why.
And in some ways because bringing that much power within him to the Lone Power's attention is a bad idea.

Gandalf, naturally, has taken the Oath. By which we mean is a Power. Ditto Galadriel and Elrond, though Elrond is more the sort of wizard who took the Oath and found himself timesharing with a Power. And then grumbled about it a whole lot until things settled down after a couple centuries.

Oin took the Oath, and lost his hearing on the Ordeal. Gloin took the Oath. That's how he met his wife.
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[personal profile] petra 2013-01-15 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
An addendum to your The Thick of It thoughts: Stewart Pearson is a wizard. He's just astronomically bad at translating his thoughts from Speech to English.

And if anyone is an avatar of entropy round that place, it's Oliver Reeder.
Edited (Olly = Not Nice Guy) 2013-01-15 17:41 (UTC)
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[personal profile] petra 2013-01-15 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I want to know how Stewart is God, if you would be so kind as to expound.

Ollie is working for the Lone One whether he knows it or not. I don't think knowing it would stop him at all, alas.
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[personal profile] lireavue 2013-01-15 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
*sighs, tags in with more chatlogs* I hope [personal profile] melannen is proud of distracting us for a solid half hour with this!

Frodo hasn't taken the Oath and has no idea about wizardry because Bilbo was very careful to keep it that way. This creates SO MANY PROBLEMS FOR SAM, who of course has.

Legolas has because Thranduil ... has but forgot his Oath, and Legolas wants to make up for it somehow. Gimli has, and did so with his father's full awareness/knowledge base.

Merry and Pippin take their Oaths and go on their Ordeals concurrent with the points you'd expect in the books.

Aragorn has similar issues to Thorin, but ultimately decided it only supported his responsibilities. Arwen has, naturally, and is one of the best damn Valar at weaving (sometimes literally) protection spells out there. (You cannot tell me the big deal they make about the flag is for nothing.)

Boromir has no idea what this wizardry thing is on about. Faramir took the Oath in a fit of well I have to amount to SOMETHING. Denethor is so thoroughly the Lone Power's it's not even funny. He really, really tries not to be, but. No. He might have taken the Oath once, actually, and then fallen. Probably during his Ordeal. Which is what turned him to the Lone Power, self-loathing at having fucked it up.

Rosie goes on Ordeal while Sam's away, during Saruman's harrowing of the Shire. Which is how they actually make a good pair once he gets back. Frodo, I think, never does take the Oath, though he eventually becomes aware of wizardry.

Grima really wanted the Oath to come for him and it never did. Eowyn took her Oath very, very late. Sometime in the Houses of Healing, because of Merry, who had just completed his Ordeal. But she had to get through the bit with the Witch-King before she could hear any sound of the Oath knocking over the Lone Power. Most of the rest of the Rohirrim are kind of "wizardry eh?" though Theoden took his Oath once, nearly forgot it, but remembered right at the end.

And then we ran out and were down to Powers, because apparently all of them reside in Middle-Earth.
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[personal profile] thatyourefuse 2013-01-15 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Freddie and Bel (of The Hour) definitely are wizards (she's rated a lot higher than him, though), and have been partnered up for long enough that they're starting to get itchy about it. So are Sissy and Kiki; the latter is plausibly young enough (18? 19?) for S2 to have been her Ordeal, and Mr. Cilenti makes a very good Lone Power.

I am not sure whether it's Lix, Hector, or Randall who's Power-ridden, now I come to think of it.

ETA: AND MARNIE. Marnie is absolutely a wizard. There is no other explanation for how she gets her eyeliner to do that. Hector just hasn't noticed.
Edited 2013-01-15 17:58 (UTC)
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[personal profile] sineala 2013-01-15 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Frontier Wolf

*sobs* You want me to write ALL THE FIC, don't you, you evil person.

(Obviously Alexios has to learn not to be a failure at Castellum and get his wizardry back -- the run south is, like, the world's worst second Ordeal, although who knows why the Powers decided he needed another one, oh God, maybe Abusina was the first one...)
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[personal profile] petra 2013-01-15 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I love that your mental characterization of God comes out as Stewart. I truly do.

As for Ollie--yes. The Dark Side has cookies biscuits. Anyone who doesn't see that and leap at the chance is a damn fool.
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[personal profile] petra 2013-01-15 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I will grant you that it doesn't have literal wizards or rock musicians, but I contest that it has Vor, or at the very least the Earth variety thereof.
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[personal profile] thatyourefuse 2013-01-15 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
But it does have NEWS. And yes, really, Hector and Marnie are the Voriest Vor to ever Vor, whatever their last name actually is.

Oh, and speaking of Vor: the only Barrayaran wizards I am really sure of are Mark (another one of those gawdawful messy protracted Ordeals) and Alys. Maybe Gregor. Maybe Ivan. Wouldn't be at all surprised if Dono had the Power-what-used-to-be-Peach in his head. But not Miles.
Edited 2013-01-15 18:47 (UTC)
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[personal profile] lireavue 2013-01-15 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
That makes Sam bearing the Ring even briefly even WORSE for him. Oh Sam honey.

I think you're probably correct on the racial divisions. Elves tend to wizardry though I bet their Ordeals come thick and fast in times of war and get very... personal? During times of peace. I haven't read the Sil in awhile, so my timeline is perhaps not as square as it could be.

Headcanon accepted on Aragorn and Boromir. Poor Boromir.

(Now Kitty has me working on B5. DAMMIT.)
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[personal profile] ambyr 2013-01-15 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, Buffy:

Buffy isn't a wizard, though she has a Power riding her.

Willow and Tara went on successful Ordeal together; Willow then lost her wizardry during S6. She was later offered a chance to regain it but turned it down, because she doesn't trust higher powers in general (or herself). In Middle Kingdoms terms, what she practices now is sorcery, not blue fire.

Giles is not a wizard; the Eyghon affair was an Ordeal that he failed horribly. It really bothers him that Willow turned down her second chance. Jenny was a wizard.

Wesley isn't a wizard; his father would have been profoundly against him becoming one even if he was offered the opportunity.

Drusilla was a wizard before she was sired; whether her wizardry would come back if she was re-ensouled is a theological question for the ages that more than one Watcher has written their thesis on.

Cordelia is, of course, offered wizardry fairly late in life and takes it. Doyle was a wizard; he never told Angel, or Cordelia for that matter, and sometimes she really wishes he was still around to help her work through things.

Dawn is a wizard. She just doesn't know it yet.
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[personal profile] kittydesade 2013-01-15 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
(Oh, you love me for it. Besides, she brought up the Rangers.)
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[personal profile] lireavue 2013-01-15 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Kitty and I may have gone and contradicted ourselves again at some point on account of SO MANY CHARACTERS. But!

Ivanova isn't a wizard, she just arranges them to within an inch of their life. It's an agreement with a Power that she browbeat it into.

G'Kar not only took his Oath but WROTE A VERSION OF IT for the Alliance.

Londo learned of wizardry when he came to B5, I think, but never understood what all the fuss was about and kept teetering on the edge of being the Lone Power's until he finally fell off.

Vir, however, found out through reading Londo's notes and totally took the Oath.

Delenn took her Oath and made her Ordeal as part of earning her place on the Grey Council. Though I think it was one of those prolonged Ordeals that wasn't complete until she met Sinclair and used the triluminary on him. Which was also his Ordeal. Most religious caste Minbari are wizards, really, it's not a big thing for them.

Zathras serves a Power but isn't a wizard. Any of him. And the Power, of course, is the machine/Draal.

Lennier flunked his Ordeal. Most of the Rangers take the Oath as part of their initiation, but not all complete their Ordeal. Which covers Marcus, who did complete his Ordeal but came out of it rather brittle.

Na'Toth is not, I think, a wizard - few Narns are, though that's related to the harrowing of the telepath population.

Speaking of telepaths, Bester totally ignored the Oath's call and went over to the Lone Power early on. He doesn't even know he's done it. (He missed the call and thought it was a telemarketer.)

Vorlons and Shadows BOTH went over to the Lone Power without knowing it. The Shadows focus on the Ordeal and the Vorlons focus on the Oath. Which explains why so few Narns. No Oath, no wizards. Under control of the Centauri, who also have precious few wizards. I think precious few Centauri are even aware of wizardry. They'd class it up there with religion and poo-poo it.

Timov refused the Oath on the ground that she'll do the work in her own damn good time thank you very much. Cartagia is obviously the Lone Power's. Refa I think flunked his Ordeal and went over.

Franklin nearly fucked up his Ordeal. But managed to pull it out, somehow.

Garibaldi knows about wizards even though he's not supposed to, but he won't take the Oath. Not that he was ever offered (he was bitter about that for awhile) but now he wouldn't.

Lorien is, of course, a Power.

Wizardry goes right over Zack's head, though he's noticed people doing Stuff. He just shakes his head and does the best he knows how, and the Lone Power keeps knocking on the back of his skull and wondering why no one's home.

Talia tried very hard to take the Oath and fulfill her Ordeal, I think, and ended up getting screwed over because nobody in the right position recognized what was going on.

Lyta the same but in reverse and maybe got a very very rare redo. See also, Lyta and G'Kar's Wacky Adventures in Space.

Kosh... made a bargain with a Power in order to break away from the rest of the Vorlons, and his entire stay on the station was his Ordeal.

Byron flunked the SHIT out of his Ordeal, assuming he ever took the Oath in the first place.

Sheridan probably took his Oath as part of his orders/swearing into command of the station. Then his Ordeal is painfully no-shit obvious, how you doin Sebastian.

Sebastian, who ... actually flunked his Ordeal and never quite realized it because Vorlons.

Galen's an excellent technician if everyone would bugger off and let him do his work.

Lochley is at minimum aware of wizardry but I think she has some of the same issues as Ivanova.

Neroon, who never does anything by halves, did Oath, Ordeal, and death all in one, because YAY RULE OF THREE.

Corwin is totally one of those very quiet wizards who makes everything work.

...I think I must not have mentioned Morden yet, but he's also a no-shit one of the Lone Power's. Sigh.
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[personal profile] sylleptic 2013-01-15 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I like this game! There's a canonical blink-and-you'll-miss-it Doctor Who crossover, too, right?

How does one deal with canons with conflicting conceptions of wizardry? I'm thinking about the Dresden Files, for instance, and I'm pretty sure Hendricks is a wizard, but I'm not sure about the rest.

Also, I love your Avengers ones.

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