melannen: Commander Valentine of Alpha Squad Seven, a red-haired female Nick Fury in space, smoking contemplatively (Default)
melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2007-08-06 04:44 pm

rasperry swirls!

FINE THEN, html 5.wtf, if you've dropped the attribute in favor of CSS, I'LL JUST DO IT WITH NESTED TABLES INSTEAD THEN. SO THERE, STYLESHEETS. HAHAHAHA.

(if you want to see, LIVE!, me relearning all the html I haven't used since about 2002, watch my rapidly altering friendspage layout and laugh.)


Wow, journalfen is changing. The colors! The favicon! The syndicated feeds! *spins in circles*


And apparently you can do custom moodthemes with a basic paid account now! Hurrah!

[identity profile] kadath [journalfen.net] 2007-08-06 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
CSS is dead easy. This (http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp) is a good place to start.
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[identity profile] melannen [journalfen.net] 2007-08-06 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
....if it wasn't good enough for me in 6th grade, it's not good enough for me now! :-P

Actually I did do a little bit with CSS, the last time I updated my fanfic webpage a long time ago, so I could probably figure it out. What I should do is learn CSS, then learn style system 2. Then try to remember the lisp I taught myself at math camp. And then figure out how databases work these days. And then--

But it's so much fun reinventing the wheel! (Also I'm about halfway done the old-fashioned way now.)

[identity profile] kadath [journalfen.net] 2007-08-06 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Also I'm about halfway done the old-fashioned way now.

But...but...tables are the devil!

I taught myself CSS when I wanted a static side menu for a character website I was building, because frames are right out. I haven't done anything with my LJ or JF beyond tweaking the colors, though, because I'm incredibly lazy. I should with JF 'cause I don't really like their available styles. That'll be way more fun than doing something productive!
ext_9193: Commander Valentine from the Tek Jansen comics: think red-haired female space opera Nick Fury. (Default)

[identity profile] melannen [journalfen.net] 2007-08-06 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
...Updating your journal layout doesn't count as productive? Since when?

Yeah, when it's a choice between individual updates to every page on a site or stylesheets, I bite the bullet and do stylesheets. I just don't see the point when it's something you're only using once, on the one page. And I hate the webpages that have extraneous style attributes in every tag, and badly-done ones mess up my old version of Opera a lot so I sometimes turn them off while browsing anyway.

(But keep in mind you're talking to someone whose favorite programming language is still TI-83.)


[identity profile] kadath [journalfen.net] 2007-08-06 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
HTML tables = The devil. THE DEVIL, you hear me? I would slog through a thousand badly-planned stylesheets rather than deal with a table. The table directives in wiki markup aren't bad, though.

And I hate the webpages that have extraneous style attributes in every tag, and badly-done ones mess up my old version of Opera a lot so I sometimes turn them off while browsing anyway.

I'm quite careful to keep my CSS standards compliant, basically out of sheer bloody-mindedness.

favorite programming language is still TI-83

My favorite programming language is "bribe a CS guy to do it." I'm an engineer. You don't want me writing code.
ext_9193: Commander Valentine from the Tek Jansen comics: think red-haired female space opera Nick Fury. (Default)

[identity profile] melannen [journalfen.net] 2007-08-06 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
My sister's an engineer. She spends basically her whole day maintaining 20-year-old legacy code, when she's not trying to actually use it to control equipment. She's decided she want to be an archeologist instead.

[identity profile] kadath [journalfen.net] 2007-08-06 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh god, it's true. Engineers should never be allowed to write code.
ext_9193: Commander Valentine from the Tek Jansen comics: think red-haired female space opera Nick Fury. (Default)

[identity profile] melannen [journalfen.net] 2007-08-07 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, hey, speaking of my sister! [journalfen.net profile] kadath, meet [journalfen.net profile] stellar_dust, one comment down. She's also a rocket scientist! (*She* thinks my nested tables are 'bloody awesome'.)

[identity profile] kadath [journalfen.net] 2007-08-07 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
Oh god, it's genetic.

[identity profile] stellar_dust [journalfen.net] 2007-08-07 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
The Daily Show and Colbert Report are unexpectedly reruns tonight. This makes me sad.
ext_9193: Commander Valentine from the Tek Jansen comics: think red-haired female space opera Nick Fury. (Default)

[identity profile] melannen [journalfen.net] 2007-08-06 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
>>HTML tables = the devil

I know! Did you see my mood for this entry? But S1 styles are all heavy on the nested tables anyway, so might as well be a sheep as a goat!

[identity profile] kadath [journalfen.net] 2007-08-06 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm just learning this "S1" thing. I'm totally going to break my journal. It'll be great!

[identity profile] stellar_dust [journalfen.net] 2007-08-07 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
Wah, you have a bloody awesome Tek layout, so now I can't! (Not that I have time to, what with my flist(s) taking me the entire time from when I get home till Jon comes on, *headdesk*)
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[identity profile] melannen [journalfen.net] 2007-08-07 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
Um, 'bloody awesome' is a bit of an overstatement. "Really freaking garish", maybe. :D Considering it only has one Tek Jansen reference, and that's a half-arsed one that doesn't even have the nifty graphics work done.

(It's a bit early to make the most elaborate layout ever, since there's only one issus out so far...)