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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote 2022-03-04 12:46 am (UTC)

See my reply above to [personal profile] china_shop. I have mixed feelings about wayback. I think it's really valuable and I want it to keep archiving stuff. But I don't like it when people link to things on it like they're still on the public web; partly because I think there is a certain right to expect that you can take things down and have them mostly gone without having to track down half a dozen archive mirrors (which there are - the original wayback isn't the only place that has it.) And partly because a lot of people don't worry about wayback *because* it takes effort to find things there, but it is pretty easy to request that your stuff comes down, so if people abuse wayback too much it'll become less useful.

If a fic is on wayback, the only way to find it is to find a copy of the original URL and search it on wayback. That's useful! If, say, you had a bookmark and the site went down, you can still hunt up and download a copy. Or you can go read Harry Potter archives preserved in amber from 2001, complete with the Draco Trilogy, if you can find a link to them.

But if somebody recs a fic that's only on wayback, creating a public website with all the fic's metadata and a direct link to the wayback copy, suddenly it's just as easy to google it as if somebody had reposted it to their own website, and that just seems wrong to me.

(It also isn't all that trustworthy as a way to create 'permanent backups' or whatever - like I said people can request takedowns, but also in the past they've had policy changes that led to huge amounts of stuff disappearing from it. So if you what you actually want is a permanent copy that won't disappear on you, I'd make your own backups. Either downloads or some service that lets you save a private cloud backup (there are several.)

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