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And how many Methos lifespans are in an Andy?

Given I suspect she rounds up and he rounds down, they're close to the same age! She's probably at least a few centuries older but close enough for the independent derivation of the exact same fandom meta about, like, the origin of literacy and the domestication of horses and the Kurgan culture and how long it takes to forget your birth name if nobody else speaks it. Quynh I believe is 1/3 Methos, around the same age as Merlin. Crowley and Aziraphale are also just over one Methos old in linear time, although the TV show does a much worse job of conveying that than the book. Shen Wei is approximately two, which is around the same as the age of the Panther dynasty in Wakanda (lots of weird meteors around that time.)

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Is it weird if I want more crossover fic? Just Andy casually running into this guy in a bar and they start catching up. She introduces Joe and Nicky as new and Nile as a baby. Mentions they have another but Booker is in his figuring out morality phase. They talk about beers they have known.

I have an entire backstory worked out in my head as to why Andy doesn't take part in the Game (Summarized succinctly by Methos as 'Well, do *you* want to be the first one to tell her about it? Thought not') which is a problem 'cause I still haven't seen the movie.

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I'm gong with the "two different variants of immortals" theory.

In the movie they find each other by dreaming about each other until they meet.

Dreaming about each other happens in the HL series a few times too! And a lot more in fanon. :D But yes, "two different kinds" is also very valid.

In a tangent Different Variants, how do you think The Old Guard would see our favorite Super Soldiers?

Or, how many times Did Steve die prior to Project Rebirth?

Steve didn't die before Project Rebirth. Between the drug overdose and the radiation he died at least a dozen times in quick succession.

Bucky died of the drugs several times but no one in the lab noticed.

"You were what size before Project Rebirth? And they used what?"

"I think you got plumped like a Butterball Turkey by being taffy pulled while dead."

"That's not possible. It hurt too much to be dead."

"Killed too quickly to notice he wasn't alive?"

"What's a Butterball Turkey?"

Steve Rogers still hasn't met that part of the 21st century. Which of The Old Guard spatchcocks a bird for the introduction?

I have osmosed just enough Highlander to want to read your that fic

Meanwhile I would need to watch TOG first and video is too hard right now.

But based on what I have seen I fully believe that back when the Game was invented Andy was already too scary for anyone to want her to join.

"Let's not tell her just yet."

"She's centuries more practiced."

"There can only be one. That one can tell Andy."

Passing the buck in Immortal circles.

"Didn't you tell her? Well I'm not going to tell her!"

"If nobody's told her yet they must have a good reason."

"Look at this point it's been almost a century, it would just be awkward."

Lol, love it

Isn't it FUN to watch?!?! +grins+

It's delightful!

I am conflicted because on the one hand it uses extracanonical canon and comics canon, so my time in the Star Wars canon wars, and my current orientation toward those wars, makes me itch to go "I'm writing movieverse, if it's not said by a character on screen in the movie, it's fanon" and really fuck around with things. Yet on the other hand, I am never gonna argue with "Andy and Methos are siblings and grew up together".

My longstanding "fuck paracanon" headcanon is the Methos was raised in the Skara Brae/Ness of Brodgar culture (approx. 1 Methos old) and is therefore (*very* secretly) Scottish, I dunno if that works with them having been kids together, but 100% there for "Methos knew her as an annoying baby Immortal".

Basically what I learned from SW is take what you want, ignore the rest!

I am in love with that headcanon.

And yeah, that's mostly how I ended up with Star Wars. I got so bothered by them just throwing out the EU that I went in the complete opposite direction. Only the movies are canon and sometimes not even the movies are canon ;)

Please write the fic, whether I try I get distracted backreading the entire Ness of Brodgar excavation blog.

My Star Wars canon at this point is "the original radio dramas of the first three and the liner notes from Mom's soundtrack LP + whatever I feel like today". You gotta do what you gotta do! :D

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You do not want me to write the fic, if I write the fic it'll be 100 words of Methos and Andy trying to meet up every 100 years in Scotland, but keep getting delayed and so wait around for the other and so Methos winds up spending a couple lifetimes in Scotland waiting for Andy, and then a few centuries later, it's Methos who misses the meet up, and then there's the times where, 10 times in a row, Methos drags his asshole brothers with him, and then one time he doesnt and Andy's like "hey where's the entourage" and Methos has to be like "well, I threw Kronos down a well"...

and yes this would be a drabble ;)

I mean you're already over halfway there in wordcount!

Coming home every century is easier said than done. But they're willing to wait. Sometimes they wait longer than others. Methos once had a granddaughter by the time Andromache arrived.

They bring the new siblings they find. Methos brings the horsemen. Methos stops bringing the horsemen. He cannot emphasize with Andromache's loss when she loses a new brother. Methos lost because he threw his away; nothing was ever taken from him.

A hundred years. They return to Scotland.

"I'm moral," Andromache says this trip, three people with her, one of them new.

For the first time, Methos can feel her.

:P

Yes. Excellent. Good. Methos thinking "nothing was ever taken from him" will haunt me. Also I am fascinated by the ways Andy's condition could intersect with HL metaphysics!

let us either ignore the moral/mortal typo thing or lean into it but okay the morality issues in the two fandoms are so different because in no way shape or form is methos being like "I am picking who I think is the good guy and fighting for them", whereas that is what Andy is doing. Highlander, it is clear, is a bunch of people just killing each other over very flimsy excuses and/or biological imperatives, because their immortaldar went off and they want the power. A decent metaphor. Whereas Andy doesn't have that kill or be killed problem because she can't be killed (we ignore for now the question of what happens if you chop off her head and don't reunite it with her body, except to say that "each side grows an Andy" seems a possible theory). So they're going around fighting in wars as a hobby/vocation/mercenary career. Andy and the Old Guard are pretty much volunteers for that; they can leave at any time. Methos tries to outrun the game and lasts two hundred years. Probably he's tried to do it before, the whole "Methos hangs out as a monk on holy ground for centuries" thing is a trope for a reason. But if Methos wants to avoid killing people in the long term, it's in lifestyle change as pre-emptive self defense, either living on holy ground, or staying as far away from people as possible so as to avoid other Immortals. All the talk about where did Andromache get her name that she uses... Methos doesn't use his name, because it's dangerous, and even with that, it's probably not his first one for him either. Methos has another dude even going around using his name and he's fine with that; let all the challengers go to that guy instead.

And that also speaks to the sizes of their societies. Why are there only a handful of OG Immortals? I must assume there are actually a lot more of them and they clump together in who can dream of who, so there's other groups of five or so Immortals all over the place, because otherwise it's just so weird. And they can't sense each other; they need the metaphysical connection to "sense" each other, and even then, it's not proximity: as soon as they have proximity, they lose it! So it brings them together and if they stay together after, that's up to them. Whereas HL Immortals always have that proximity alarm and can't recognize each other from it; they always have that frisson of warning. (I suspect once cell phones are everywhere, Immortals who live together will text to say "I'm right outside of range" so that you know it's that person and don't have to go for the sword). HL Immortals can sense each other. What they do after that is up to them and they either have a culture of murder or they have a biological imperative.

but the fact that they can kill each other is key. OG Immortals have to live with each other, or live only with mortals, they don't have the third option of killing each other. I don't know if their metaphysical connection also helps them stumble over each other; it does not seem to from what I can tell. They have to make the choice to meet. If they choose to let go of that choice, magic will not help them resolve it. Whereas HL Immortals just have to drive around town and wait for the headache.

and HL immortals, maybe because their society is larger and they meet more people like them, seem to be more open to the idea of change??? the OG immortals are all still doing the jobs they were doing in their first lives, even if in different ways. They make no meaningful new connections with the mortal world and convince Nile to give hers up. They seem to be on repeat. HL Immortals get to have career changes.

maybe OG immortals decide that since they die in war, they have to stay in war forever. HL immortals have to die in some kind of non-natural-death way but it doesn't bind them to what they were doing at their first death. OG Immortals want some kind of purpose. Maybe the HL immortals don't need that because they have the Game? Maybe they don't need to go seek out wars to fight because if they just wait around at home, there's a chance someone will come and dump the war on their doorstep and force them to kill in self-defense or die?

and as for how that first death happens... Methos says he doesn't remember his, Andy's was in war. But Andy from HL Immortal perspective might be seen to have her first death when she dies at a time when she can die and stay dead. If whatever OG Immortal thing just keeps them coming back no matter what, then it can't be a first death from HL perspective. But then she can die (because she's not healing) and then I guess she does die, and then can shift into HL Immortals. Which has to ignore that her OG Immortality has to have "activated" at some kind of first death to freeze her at that age, one assumes, and also, probably they weren't all magically healing all injuries before the first death. But it'd be great if they were.

with the actor age differences, we've got either Andy as the older sister, and/or we have Methos getting his first death before Andy did. Was Andy watching her brother and wondering if it would happen to her, and then it did? It's in a different way, but if there aren't other HL Immortals around, they may not know that. Methos wouldn't know he's meant to be feeling quickenings. And it's not like he knows about the beheading. There could be the moment the first time Methos feels another Immortal and Andy doesn't, and the first time Andy gets her head cut off and doesn't die, and all the times they realize they're different kinds of immortals but were both given this opportunity. And what they do with it.

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<3

I love this

Someone on Tumblr posited Nicky and Joe introduce coffee to Europe and end up starting a coffee shop, and my immediate thought was your desire for historically accurate coffee shop AUs.

I saw that! This does seem like a great fandom for historical coffee shops, I have hopes.

The bb wee ones who think 30 is basically dead-old? 🤣

No! They are mostly full-grown fans! They just post-date Highlander I guess, but that's a long time ago now... They're doing a great job, it's just LITERALLY all the exact same history and immortality meta everyone wrote when they discovered Methos when I was a wee baby fan twenty-five years ago, the nostalgia is delightful.

Right now my main joy in fandom is watching TOG fans on Tumblr slowly come to terms with how old Andy actually is and what that means
Any favourites you want to share? Would love to see them!

this is like, a drash on immortality. <3