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^this. Ever since I could go to a non-specific fandom science-fiction convention, I've felt too lacking in Lore, depth and breadth, to attend. Because science-fiction published is akin to MCU fanfiction-firehose baby, just a question of how long and what the pressure is.

It's actually kind of weird! Because the last time I went to a book-SF convention (Capclave), what I found was very few people were talking about book-SF. I'd go to a panel, led by pro SF authors who were talking about things relevant to book SF, but all the examples they used in the discussion were either things like Batman or the Game of Thrones show or the LoTR movies, or they were very very old SF (like, Barsoom old.) I'd gone there hoping to find people I could talk about my favorite recent-ish SF books, but other than people trying to sell their own books - nope. I didn't feel like I didn't have the Lore at Capclave, I felt like I had too much, I kept wanting to bring up examples which on DW I'd get lots of people nodding at but nobody else at Capclave knew anything about (and were uninterested in learning about), which was SO WEIRD.

It's wasn't that they were uninterested in the new stuff, it was just that there seemed to be this kind of assumption that nobody had the shared context to talk about the new stuff.

I thought it was just a symptom of how large the selection of books had grown, but then I went to a) a slash fandom con (con.txt), and b) a general-SF convention that had grown out of a specific-book-fandom con (Chessiecon), and in both of those there was a lot more talking about favorite SF books, and a lot more sense of a shared fandom! Like, at con.txt or Chessiecon I can talk about Imperial Radch or Murderbot or Tortall or, IDK, Amber, or honestly any given Yuletide SF book fandom, and assume that people will, if not have read them, at least know enough context to follow. At Capclave, nope. We had to go to Batman to find a shared canon.

So I think there's something broader going on there, because among certain subsets of SF fandom it is possible to learn a certain subset of Book Lore enough to feel like you can converse. It just seems like it's the self-consciously worldcon-y part where this is the least possible, which is the opposite of what you'd expect.

Edited 2019-10-12 18:01 (UTC)

Okay!

I think this is super important, because this is where parts of fandom act like academia getting crusty and incapable of multidisciplinary research while other kinds are behaving like the Scottish Enlightenment or a symposium of polymaths.

Tumblr has given me an osmosis view of things so I can follow the highlights of fandoms I'm not in. Which given that's how I read Latin epigrams...

I've got to do my day though; if I don't post something here on on my DW, remind me. Cause, this, this is something that feeds into Highbrow Lowbrow and other things I lurve. Thinky, academical things.

It may be those three specific cons and their specific weirdnesses, too, of course. And I did sometimes find myself out of my depth at Chessiecon. But it really did strike me how the panelists at Capclave just didn't assume any shared SF book canon more recent than maybe Asimov, but did assume we all shared pop culture canon! Whereas the "media" cons assumed both.

Huh! That's strange!

I think my favorite fanfic finished in 2019 over 50k would be scioscribe's epic MCU canon divergence AU, Silver and Gold, in which Heimdall raises Loki from the age of eight. I'm not sure it's exactly a Hugo-type story - the ratio of character stuff and feelings to plot is way too high - but if you're looking for a really love long read, I definitely recommend it.

Is it readable if you no longer give a damn about MCU canon? Heimdall is so great, and I keep seeing really good-looking long MCU fics go by, often labelled "canon divergence", but I can't tell if they're the kind of divergence that works for people who are actively uninterested in the canon plots anymore.

I think you would probably want to read at least a wikipedia summary of Thor: Ragnarok, but otherwise you'd be fine. It doesn't interact with any part of the rest of the MCU, and the entire fic is set pre-canon, so all you really need from later Thor movies is the backstory. And it does have a LOT of wonderful Heimdall. :)

I think you have to look for AU canon divergence and one of the Particular movie noncompliant tags. I've got so many canon divergence AUs I'm possibly the anti-Asimov.

Thank you for the recommendation. That was amazing.

Safeword (171093 words) by Bronte
Chapters: 33/33
Fandom: Miraculous Ladybug
Rating: Explicit
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Adrien Agreste/Marinette Dupain-Cheng
Characters: Adrien Agreste, Marinette Dupain-Cheng, Chloé Bourgeois, Alya Césaire, Nino Lahiffe, Tikki (Miraculous Ladybug), Plagg (Miraculous Ladybug), Tom Dupain, Sabine Cheng, Nathalie Sancoeur, Gabriel Agreste
Additional Tags: Porn With Plot, Porn with Feelings, Light Dom/sub, Oral Sex, Semi-Public Sex, Poor Adrien, Post-Magic Reveal, Angst, Fluff, Adrien gets by with a little help from his friends, protect our sunshine boy, Depression, Therapy, Gabriel's been caught
Series: Part 2 of Masquerade
Summary:

"You can do whatever you want to me."

"What's the magic word?"

"...please."

Because Masquerade was only the beginning.

[note: Masquerade is mostly porn, but the plot parts are important reading before Safeword, which is predominantly plot. also there are a couple scenes in Bronte's Christmas porn collection that are alt-PoV of bits in Safeword.]

by my side (when the rain comes pouring in) (81938 words) by SailorChibi
Chapters: 28/28
Fandom: Miraculous Ladybug
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir/Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug
Characters: Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Sabine Cheng, Tom Dupain, Nathalie Sancoeur, Gabriel Agreste | Papillon | Hawk Moth, Alya Césaire, Nino Lahiffe, Chloé Bourgeois
Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Adrien doesn't attend public school right away, so Ladybug and Chat Noir meet each other first, LadyNoir - Freeform, Ladybug is in love with Chat Noir, the adrienette comes two years later, Child Abuse, Implied/Referenced Child Abuse, discussion of child abuse, Character Death, gabriel agreste dies, no redemption for garbage people in this fic, adrien agreste love to design, adrien agreste is into fashion, those are the three biggest changes that this fic makes, Adrien Agreste Needs a Hug, marinette dupain-cheng would like to drop kick gabriel in the face, Identity Reveal, Secret Identity Reveal, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug Identity Reveal, Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir Identity Reveal, Post-Reveal Adrien Agreste/Marinette Dupain-Cheng, Post-Reveal Love Square, like sixty percent of this fic happens after the reveal so, lowkey reveal, they gradually figure each other out, supportive marinette dupain-cheng, Protective Marinette Dupain-Cheng, First Kiss, Platonic sharing of a bed, platonic sleeping together, platonic sharing of a couch, not tagging this as major character death because gabriel is in it to die, Good Parents Sabine Cheng & Tom Dupain, Gabriel Agreste's A+ Parenting, Gabriel Agreste is a shitty parent, Adrien Agreste Needs Help, Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir Purrs, POV Marinette Dupain-Cheng, Marinette Dupain-Cheng Finds Out First, Touch-Starved, Touch-Starved Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir, First Date, Bantering, Flirting, So much flirting, Flashing, idk these kids seem to love flashing each other in this fic, sexy flirting and teasing, but like innocent, Slow Burn, Angst with a Happy Ending, Eventual Happy Ending
Summary:

Two years after Marinette got her miraculous, she meets Adrien Agreste for the first time. In spite of an initial gum-related bump in the road, they become fast friends thanks to their shared interest in fashion and design. But there's something funny about Adrien. He seems to suffer from terminal clumsiness just like Marinette, frequently sporting sprained wrists and ankles, new bruises, and other injuries. Injuries which look suspiciously similar to the ones that Ladybug's beloved partner has...

How To Fake A Marriage (300695 words) by quicksilversquared
Chapters: 48/48
Fandom: Miraculous Ladybug
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Adrien Agreste/Marinette Dupain-Cheng, Alya Césaire/Nino Lahiffe
Characters: Adrien Agreste, Marinette Dupain-Cheng, Tikki (Miraculous Ladybug), Plagg (Miraculous Ladybug), Nino Lahiffe, Alya Césaire, Marinette Dupain-Cheng's Parents, Gabriel Agreste
Additional Tags: Slow Burn, the actual slowest like why am I doing this to myself, Fake Marriage, bed sharing, Identity Reveal, Secret Relationship, Fluff, there is some plot left it's just a bit buried, a lot bit buried
Series: Part 1 of HTFAM-verse
Summary:

Adrien Agreste is excited to go to London to get a degree in Physics- but he's less excited about the ridiculous list of rules his father keeps giving him, especially since it's clear that his father doesn't trust his judgement at all.

So what better way to rebel than to fake a wedding with one of his friends as soon as he gets to London?

…

that is fewer than I thought

Edited 2019-10-12 18:27 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm honestly having trouble coming up with any! Part of that is I think I tend to gravitate more toward the 10000-40000 range when I'm just browsing, so I haven't read that many 50000+ ones, but the ones I am coming up with tend to be ones that I don't think work very well out of context, or read more as a series than as a novel, or I liked for reasons other than overall story quality, or aren't from 2019, or aren't SF/Fantasy, or so on.

truth

this just got completed and I haven't read the last few chapters yet but based on what I did read

Someone To Watch Over Me (225916 words) by dfcfanfics
Chapters: 24/24
Fandom: Miraculous Ladybug
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir/Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug
Characters: Alya Césaire, Nino Lahiffe, Lê Chiến Kim, Alix Kubdel, Mylène Haprèle, Juleka Couffaine, Rose Lavillant, Nathalie Sancoeur, Gabriel Agreste | Papillon | Hawk Moth, Tom Dupain, Sabine Cheng, Emilie Agreste, Master Fu (Miraculous Ladybug)
Additional Tags: Romance, Drama, ladrien, Fluff, Angst, Comfort, Gratuitous Boys' Locker Room Antics, Things More Important Than Words, Plagg Has His Moments, Father of the Year, Blessed Are The Peacemakers, You've Got Mail!, He Really Doesn't Care Much For Quinoa, Your Turn To Play Psychiatrist, This Is Sometimes A Pants-Optional Environment, Sabine's Frequent Customer Club Has Great Benefits, Melting on the Bathroom Floor, Just Draw A Mask On The Cup, The World's Oldest Toilet Paper, A Line Is Crossed, The First Annual Grin-Off Competition, Deeper Than Pink Clouds, om nom nom nom, A Seven on the Bull-O-Meter, Advanced Communication Techniques, We'll Just Have To Teach Each Other, An Ordinary Girl with Ordinary Pajamas, The Tom Dupain School of Martial Arts, The Gabriel Agreste School of Courtship, Thirty Minutes Or It's Free, Would You Like Some Pepper On Your Diabolical Plot?, There Were No Alternatives, The Atomic Dude Drops, Adrien Swears He's Not Narcoleptic, Betty Looks In The Mirror And Sees Veronica, A Culinary Reprieve, Nino Accepts His Fate, What Do _You_ Really Want?, A Dream Is A Terrible Thing To Waste, Setting Cafeteria Records, Chloe the Living Statue, The Edge of an Identity Cliff, Dish is Wormdeful, More Than Five Pictures Counts As Obsession, Resistance Is Useless, adrienette - Freeform, ladrienette, It's Official!, Get These Bugs OFF Of Me, Click - Drag - And Faint., 101 Uses for a Plastic Plagg, So Not Out Of Our System Yet, Passing The Baton, Quarter Circle Forward + Smooch, Do You Hand Atomic Bombs Out Often?, Batman Would Be Jealous, Blue Screen of Adoration, Plagg's Done Foolin' Around, The Girl on the Staircase... Again, International Ape of Mystery, High Score! Enter Your Initials, A Squee Is Like Riding A Bike, Massive Eddie Is Not Invited, Does This Mean We're Skipping Dessert?, A Most Unforeseen Conversation, The Undoing of a Man, An Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove, A Falling Cement Mixer to the Soul, Emotions Carrying Hockey Sticks, Argentina Is Nice This Time Of Year, With Great Power..., Kneeling Before The Master, Dear Mom And Dad..., Freedom At Your Fingertips, Face to Face to Face, Secrets Within Secrets, One More Trick Up The Old Sleeve, Riding The Waves Of Eternity, The Sharpest Cut, There's A New Set Of Wings In Town, Paris's Mightiest Defender, Nick and Nora Sharing One Brain, The Best Snuggle Ever
Summary:

Adrien is used to his father taking him for granted and treating him poorly, especially since his mother's disappearance... but it's never been anywhere _near_ this bad before. Between that and trouble at school, his life is in quite the downward spiral. He's been putting on a brave face, but he's struggling... and his friends are starting to notice. One special friend in particular.

Marinette is determined to help him, any way that she can -- with _and_ without her mask. But when Akumas fly towards Adrien, he soon finds himself more deeply entwined in Marinette's life AND Ladybug's private life than he'd ever imagined. Can Adrien possibly decide between the two angels who are making his life worth living again? Can Marinette process Adrien's crush on Ladybug AND his growing feelings for her? And can Gabriel stop laughing long enough to launch his master plan?

and expanding my search criteria to include 40-50K works actually adds fuck-all

Ugh, I was writing this on my ipad but i got distracted and when i came back it had been eated :(

Anyway, I found 4, but they're all long-running series that have updated this year, if that counts. That also means they are not just >50k, but excessively >50k...

ImprobableDreams900's Eden!verse. Good Omens bookverse, the first novel is VERY depressing but it gets better and then has fantastic worldbuilding. Probably readable to non-fans as Bible-fic, assuming they get attached to Crowley and Aziraphale right quick.

SerGoldenhand's Changing of the Seasons, Game of Thrones book-canon divergence that's better than books or show, but IDK why anyone would care if they haven't read/watched at least up through the divergence point (Tyrion's trial after Joffrey's wedding).

And my two favoritest Star Wars Obi-Wan time-travel fix-its.

flamethrower's Re-Entry/Journey of the Whills is like having an entire alternate EU to devour and by the end has pulled in elements from basically every SW property. Probably not the most accessible to non-fans, especially the last few story arcs, but omg if you are a SW fan it should be required reading.

Elfpen's Reprise is just really excellent. And probably accessible to the sort of person who picked up the Zahn trilogy after not watching the movies since 1984, though it does request at least minimal knowledge of the OT and PT plot arcs.

Everything else I can think of is too old, too short, not quite ready for hugo nom, or I haven't got round to reading yet ...

Relatedly, I've been wishing for a way to sort or filter bookmarks by word count. Surely there must be some way?

I see your Reprise & Re-Entry, and raise you

Blue_Sunshine's The Desert Storm series. Also a superb Obi-Wan Kenobi timetravel fix-it that's both accessible to new people and exquisitely transformative for anyone with bits of canon knowledge.

Hard to believe the author only started posting in March of this year, it's already up to 387k+ and on the 12th installment. If only single installments of 50k+ can be counted for purposes of this, there are already two in this series that qualify and a third that will whenever it's completed.

Oooooh! *bookmarks immediately for later*

There's also a "Best Series" Hugo award. Requires at least 2 installments and a total of at least 240k words.

I appreciate strongly that there appears to be an entire fandom of its own solely for "massive time-travel Star Wars fixit epics" while still having no interest in reading them. :P

It would be interesting to see how an AO3 "series" would would fit - generally, you'd say that completed segments need to be nominated as stand-alone works, but when it comes down to voting nobody actually seems to vote based on whether they work as stand-alones. And people use AO3 series in so many different ways that don't always line up with publishers' series.

There's in general something about the rate at which long serial fic - whether a stand-alone or a series - is both produced and consumed that I think makes it hard to judge until it's finished, if it's even possible then. The best analogy I can think of is Sherlock Holmes but that's not even really right. Maybe a newspaper comic or webcomic -- how does Hugo handle those, best related work, or nominate printed collections? Anyway, three of the ones I linked get disqualified if you're only allowed to nominate *works,* since their 2019 installments are too short, though hopefully Reprise at least will squeak over 50k by the end of the year ...

If it was really going to happen, I imagine you'd check with the author about how they want it nominated and let the Hugo committee fight it out.

how does Hugo handle those, best related work, or nominate printed collections?
Printed collections. Ursula Vernon's Digger won as an omnibus in 2012, though it was nominated for an Eisner several times while it was still running. (There are currently both a Best Digital Comic Eisner Award and a Best Webcomic Eisner Award.)

The Hugos actually do have rules in place for serially published works, since they date back to the time when serialization in the pulps was common! It's not really clear, though - "The individual elements of such a story arc are always eligible for their year of publication. However, voters may want to nominate a complete story arc. In such cases it is the publication date of the final installment of the series that counts for eligibility purposes. If an individual installment of a story arc achieves a nomination on its own then the complete story arc will probably be ruled ineligible if nominated. This is because the voters have clearly indicated that the installment stands on its own as a complete work and is not part of a longer work."

It seems to basically be that if enough nominators consider a segment of a serialized work to be a thing to nominate, then it can be nominated. And it's standard that it, say, one section wins as a short story on its own, you can't then nominate a longer section which includes it as a novel next year. Unless the novel has been substantially reworked in the process (Which happened a lot in the pulps days.)

So if you got enough nominators to agree that, say, everything published up to this year was a complete story arc, it could be nominated as one whole work, even if earlier parts were published in previous years, but you could not then nominate a later "everything published up to now".

They've had issues before with TV series and comics where people nominate overlapping sections of a serial work in the same year - i.e., one trade by itself and the entire complete series. I think it comes down to how many nominations each part got, and admins' judgement call. It is usually not up to the author about how they'd rather have it nominated, although of course they can express a preference during the noms period if they wish. I don't think a newspaper comic has ever been nominated though!

However they only just instituted a "Series" award separate from the novel award, which the rules about individual parts having been previously nominated in other categories don't apply to, so, that's kind of in flux right now. If an AO3 "series" is more than 240000 words but divided up into "works" of various lengths, any subsets of which the last additions were in the correct year would be eligible, but you would 100% start arguments about whether they were in the "right" category.

Edited 2019-10-15 22:47 (UTC)

If You Had This Time Again by dls, MCU, is one I read when it was finished and loved it.

It requires some canon knowledge, but given the widespread popularity of The Avengers, that shouldn't be much of a setback.

Tony/Loki, Teen & Up, 268,000 words, uncertain warnings (javascript isn't working so I can't get them to show up if they exist) but I don't remember anything extreme.

Summary: Tony Stark closed his eyes in a wrecked Siberian bunker and woke up on a demolished New York street. Four years earlier.

Takes place after Civil War - Tony is thrown back in time to the end of The Avengers.

That one is Very Excellent.

Ooh, I've seen that one linked around and the four-years timeskip made me think it would require engaging with Infinity War, but it looks like I misread it...

The STATIC series by

patternofdefiance comprises a short intro -- A Study in Reintegration -- and a full novel -- Maintenance and Repair. Both of those are complete, but I live in hope of more (since the series isn't marked finished.) It's nominally BBC Sherlock, but it retells the entire series until S2 and then diverges. Even with no canon knowledge, it's safe to assume people know something about Sherlock Holmes.

John has a quasi-sentient prosthetic shoulder, and the author does fascinating things re: assistive technology, AT research ethics, what-are-even-cyborgs, and disability hierarchy. Plus excellent character interactions.

The stigma against human augmentation has never lifted – not after the initial kinks in the operating software and hardware integrations resulted in some curious physical and personality…defects. Despite the lives it’s subsequently saved, the tests the procedures have passed, and the unending barrage of PR stunts and ad campaigns.

None of that matters – God, the papers still refer to the riots – which had been in protest against the expense of post-op care and maintenance – as the ‘Rise of the Machines.’

John had just been a kid at Uni when it all happened, hadn’t really been arsed to care, and then he’d swanned off to join the army. Somewhere in that time the landscape had changed, and the first recipients of botched augmentations had stopped being victims and become something altogether more sinister.

And all the while, science had marched on, blissfully ignorant – or at least willfully so – continuing to innovate and improve.

And then John had gone and got himself shot, and science had taken him in like an overbearing mother, like a charity case, and hadn’t taken ‘no’ for an answer, hadn’t wanted ‘no’ for an answer –

And John hadn’t wanted to die.

Edited (forgot the block quote) 2019-10-12 22:22 (UTC)

Oh, cool! I've been avoiding Sherlock fandom for awhile, but the SF aspects sound like they're right up my alley.

Side note: Hugo Award for best novel is 40,000 words or more, not 50. Which means a lot more fics are eligible.

I would love for AO3ple to coordinate to pick one to get onto the Hugo ballot next year.(Or one in any of the categories. It might be easier to find a novelette or novella that doesn't require solid canon knowledge.)

Worth noting: everything written for Yuletide will be eligible.

...I had the requirements up right in front of me and my brain still got overridden by NaNo. Thanks! That only increases the numbers by about 10%, though, interestingly - I would have guessed it would be a lot more in that range (They were very rough numbers, because I was basing it on a quick random sampling that said something like 66-75% of long AO3 works have some kind of SF/Fantasy element. But it would probably take a lot more sampling to be accurate.)

A similar very rough sample is giving me that something like 50-60% of Yuletide 2018 fics have SF/fantasy elements (maybe a bit less, because there are probably some for SF/Fantasy canons that don't include those elements in the fic), so I would say about half of Yuletide is technically eligible. Unless you have an argument to make that all AO3 fic is SF/Fantasy enough merely by being on a Hugo Award Winning Archive?

But honestly, while as a File770 kibitzer I think it would be delightful to see an AO3 fanwork get a nom, as a long-time member of transformative fandom I still think it's a terrible idea - partly that the collaborative aspect of fandom that made us all Hugo winners is the same aspect that makes the idea of an individual fanfic winning the award kind of uncomfortable, partly because oh my god the BNF-y wankery that would result (there's a reason we don't even have in-fandom fanfic awards much anymore).

But mostly that I've lately been leaning toward the idea that the main thing that separates fanworks from non-fanworks these days, even more than content or community, is that writers of fanworks are invested in limiting the audience for their works. Not all the the same extent, obviously - there's a wide range between "locked to a filtered DW post" and "linked everywhere with a promo graphic, including an attempt to go viral on tumblr" - but even the most promo-y fanwriters are a) marketing to transformative fandom audiences, and b) deliberately choosing to limit their audience to people familiar with their fandom. (Neither of those always happen in practice, but they're sort of core to the way the fanworks are conceived.) And maybe more relevantly to awards noms, there are *very few* pro or aspiring-pro writers who are going to get angry at you for exposing their work to a new audience, as long as you aren't ripping them off in the process, but there are a *lot* of fanwriters who want to keep personal control of all aspects of the distribution and of their work, and a prevailing community ethos that they should be able to as far as it's possible.

Once you're trying to hit a "mainstream" audience - in this meaning, defined as people who don't know you and aren't in transformative fandom - it might still be fanfic in the sense of based on another text, like the fanfic that has won Hugo awards before, but it stops feeling like something from the transformative community in the same (even if it's written by authors who also write fanfic). And putting it up for a Hugo is kind of the opposite of deliberately limiting the audience.

So IDK? Even if you did go for it you'd have to make sure the author was OK with it first, and understood exactly what they were agreeing to, which means you'd have to find someone who wrote something that qualified and was good enough and sff-y enough who also both understood the whole clamjamfry and still wanted to volunteer to put themselves in the middle of it, but also wasn't the kind of natural wank magnet you wouldn't *want* to put in the middle of it, and at that point you're almost to slating again. (not quite. but getting there.) I can tell you I personally would be horrified if someone tried to nominate one of my fanworks for a Hugo, and not just because they're not good enought. :P

....you'd probably want to start with, like, making a Fanlore page with a list of "blanket permission to nominate my AO3 works for literary awards" and see how far it got.

I would think that both Wait Wait Don't Eat Me and Goodnight Room would have made lovely Hugo nominees. (No idea what the authors would think of that, which is a whole separate can o' worms.) And I can think of several more that were well outside of the, erm, normal genre tropes of fanfic, that would work well as innovative, stand-alone scifi or fantasy stories and require either no knowledge of canon, or general-public levels of knowledge. (Niven's "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" posits some general understanding of Superman.)

something like 50-60% of Yuletide 2018 fics have SF/fantasy elements

I'd expect it to be a bit higher, but not a lot - while some SF/fantasy canons will have entirely non-fantasy fics, there are also plenty of non-sf-ish canons that have scifi or fantasy based fics. (Neither Goodnight Room nor "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me" are SF/fantasy canons.)

There is a part of me that loooves the idea of finding that one A/B/O fic that reads one way in a fanfic setting and reads differently to outsiders and yet still works as a story on its own to a standard scifi audience, and getting it on the Hugo ballot.

But I know that, mostly, that's not how things work, and and we really, really don't need the File 770 crowd who hate fanfic to come storming through AO3 looking for things to critique. And we don't need the BNF wank, and that yeah, part of the point of fanfic is that it's directed at a target audience, not the general public.

I just wish there were some way to open communication with the "mainstream scifi" crowd to point out why so many of us switch to fanfic and almost never read any other genre, and how this is one of the few areas where groundbreaking literary tropes are happening, because there are no gatekeepers. And we now have a generation of adults who grew up on fanfic and remixed anime and webcomics and Youtube let's plays, and their idea of "how storytelling works" doesn't match what any of us learned before the internet made instant communication the norm.

I want some of that to start showing up in the "Best of Science Fiction" awards, in part because some is awesome and deserves recognition, and in part because if the "Best of SciFi" awards don't start recognizing what Kids These Days are watching and reading, those awards are going to die out.

Demonology and the Tri-Phasic Model of Trauma: An Integrative Approach is an EXCELLENT post-canon Good Omens fic. I've never read the book or seen the miniseries, but I love the story, and it's 99k written this year.

What an intriguing title

(I've read the book, but too long ago to remember much, and only fannishly osmosed the show so far)

You could probably read that one with only an osmosis knowledge of the show, no problem!

oh I am absolutely gonna

not rn, though, is too big a words chunk, my brain isn't playing

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Doesn't qualify yet but I love to rec it

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