melannen: Commander Valentine of Alpha Squad Seven, a red-haired female Nick Fury in space, smoking contemplatively (Default)
melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2018-06-22 05:32 pm

All you need to know about Cable/Deadpool comics canon

I have just read the entire nearly ten-year-old Cable and Deadpool kink meme, so here, for your edification, is a summary of Cable & Deadpool comics canon derived almost entirely from kinkmeme fic by someone who has never read a single comic book with Cable in it, and also has not gone wiki-diving, because she doesn't know much but she knows better than to try to read a wiki entry for Cable.

(I know I should at least try the comics but I viscerally dislike most of the art of the relevant periods and avoid massive crossover events at all costs, and I tried reading the recent Deadpool & Spidey run, where the art was more tolerable, and adorable Dadpool is canon, but it was so homophobically queerbaity I threw it at the wall instead.)

Anyway, I got all I needed from fanfic osmosis. :P


Our Heroes:

Deadpool, aka Wade Winston Wilson, everybody's favorite Merc with a Mouth, Canadian soldier/assassin for hire who gets terminal cancer, volunteers for the Weapon X program to attempt to cure said cancer, ends up with an overpowered knockoff of Wolverine's healing factor that doesn't just heal him, it also continually regenerates his cancer, which is not an ideal outcome. This has resulted in him having fucked-up skin, the details of which vary by artist, which he usually hides under his black-and-red Deadpool costume, and also an unachievable death wish, which he deals with by abusing his healing factor. Also has varying amounts of organic brain injury and mental illness and the ability to manipulate the fourth wall, which may or may not be the result of the healing factor and/or trauma or may just be Wade. Ultraviolent, the universe's punching bag, deeply fucked up, tries his very best but never manages to get too far from his status quo. Probably definitely not straight but the writers are usually careful to leave in just enough plausible deniability for the homophobic fanboys.

Cable, aka Nate, aka Nathan "Priscilla" Christopher Charles Dayspring Askani'son Summers, a mutant who was born in the present but raised in a fucked-up alternate future, where he was taught to be a soldier and treated as a prophesied Messiah. This has given him a martyr/saviour complex the size of a small moon. He has what is theoretically the world's most powerful telekinesis and telepathy, but was infected as a small child with a Techno-Organic virus that has given him semi-metal body parts, but also means he has to use most of his mutant power controlling the virus's spread. At any given time may be using his mutant powers, augmenting his mutant powers with future technology, or using future technology to disguise the fact that he has lost his powers. Is a Summers, and the first thing I ever knew about Summerses is that you don't even attempt to understand their backstories, but especially not Nathan Dayspring Askani'son's backstory.

At some point Cable decides to give up the soldiering stuff and instead builds a floating tropical island named Providence to serve as a hippie free love colony/proof-of-concept for world peace. This sort of works for awhile, and then it all goes down in flames.

Deadpool and Cable are on-and-off adversaries for awhile while they're both soldiering-for-hire around the more grim'n'gritty bits of 90s Marvel. Then they get soulbonded merge their DNA for reasons that don't require exploring at this juncture, and end up with the ability to teleport anywhere, anytime by saying "bodyslide by two", but only if they pull the other one along with them in the teleport, even if the other one happened to be, oh, naked, or halfway around the world, or both.

This is as amazingly slashy as it sounds and should be a major trope in other fandoms by this point, but for some reason it isn't. Yet.

Anyway as a result they start growing on each other, kind of like a fungus, develop a bromance, and get fixated on saving each other from their compatible fucked-up-ness. Before you know it the whole Marvel universe is outright treating them like a married couple.

Then some massive crossover events happen, they get a divorce by editorial fiat, more massive crossover events happen, Cable kidnaps a small child and runs off back to the future with her, at least one of them dies at least once, and Marvel editorial never lets them get back together again for more than a couple token scenes.

The rest of the cast:

On Deadpool's side of the aisle:

Blind Al: old blind woman who has been part of his support crew since his first solo series, but we don't talk about that. Badass. Has secrets.

Weasel: Wade's tech guy. Kind of weaselly. Gets kidnapped by Hydra at least once.

Copycat aka Nessa: Shapeshifting mutant who was Wade's canon love interest before he had cancer, consistently inconsistent writing, rarely shows up in later books.

Death: Anthropomorphic skeleton and personification of Death, only with boobs, because Marvel. Wade's star-crossed love; he is the only person who loves her just for who she is and the only person who can never be with her. Is surprisingly touching and tragic, given it's Wade Wilson and a skeleton with boobs. Ultimate endgame ship.

Alex Hayden aka Agent X: I gave in and wiki'd him because I was so confused but it didn't help. Merc who has too much and too little in common with Wade to ever be either entirely friends or entirely enemies. Runs a guns-for-hire agency called Agency X that Wade and most of the below work for at some point or another.

Bob: Former Hydra minion, later Agency X mascot. Possibly has offscreen wife.

Outlaw: Female mercenary, sniper (?), canon love interest at various times when various male mercs need their heterosexuality reinforced.

Sandi: Works at Agency X offices. Probably not Outlaw's secret identity.

Taskmaster aka 'Don't Call Me Tasky" aka Tony: Mercenary with eidetic memory and ability to copy other people's physical abilities after seeing them in action, which comes up surprisingly rarely in the kinkmeme fic. Sort-of employed by Agency X. Not Wade's friend. Sort of.

Bullseye: Freelance mercency, really good aim. Definitely not Wade's friend. Definitely not. Stop implying things.

Wolverine: Everybody knows Wolverine. Not Wade's friend either, but they have a long history, and sometimes fucked up Canadians with healing factors have to help each other out.

Siryn: Red-haired Irish mutant, probably has sound powers given the code name and that I don't think being red-haired and Irish qualify as mutant powers for the X-Men. Wade's friendly-ish ex.

Cable's side of the aisle:

Irene Merryweather: Cable's PA on Providence. Super-competent, hopelessly in love with him, not much story beyond that. Not the same person as Mystique's girlfriend Irene, disappointingly.

Prester John: A physically powerful mutant who has some kind of official position on Providence. I am headcanoning him as a possibly-immortal member of a Wakandan Coptic Christian ethnic minority who has long-standing issues with Wakanda's refugee policies, just because of the codename, but I am probably 100% wrong.

Domino: Female mercenary, luck powers, not nearly as awesome as her movie version. On-again-off-again romantic relationship with Cable.

Greymalkin: Some sort of really confusing future tech that can take various forms at various points?

Aliyah Summers aka Jenskot: Nate's backstory wife from the future. Possibly a Summers by other than marriage? It's all very confusing.

Mother Askani: Leader of the matriarchal clan/cult who took in Cable when he landed in the future. Also a Summers, I think, possibly by way of being some sort of clone of his genetic mom?

Apocalypse: Future apocalypse-bringing warlord, Cable's long-standing enemy. Not related to DC's Apokalips except by way of uncreative naming.

En Sabah Nur: I think this is Apocalypse when he's not being a future evil warlord? And possibly alternate/past/clone/etc. versions of him? Cable's Summersness tends to be slightly contagious that way.

Stryfe: Cable's evil clone. Teams up with Apocalypse at least sometimes. Has a fucked up dubcon relationship with Deadpool in at least one alternate future.

Hope Summers: Small child who is the Hope of All Mutantkind. A Summers. Raised by Cable while fleeing through various futures to rescue her from assassins, because who better to raise a Mutant Messiah than a dude who is still super fucked-up from being raised as a Mutant Messiah. Has vast but unclear mutant powers. Adorable moppet.

Bishop: Another powerful time-traveling mutant who is usually a good guy but for some reason wants to kill Hope. Chases them through time.

Various other Summerses: Turn up. Are usually clones, siblings, alternate universe versions, or alternate universe clone siblings of Cable or Scott or Jean Grey, or descendants thereof. Tend to have complicated, not-entirely-friendly relationships with Cable. Don't try to keep them straight more than that, the Summers family tree is less a tree at this point, more a five-dimensional tentacle monster.


...you know, written out like that, I do not know why people write Wade as the lonely one who needs more friends...
the_rck: (Default)

[personal profile] the_rck 2018-06-23 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
In at least one version, Mother Askani is Cable's sister or half-sister (his mother was a clone of hers, so I'm not sure how that counts), Rachel, who inherited Jean Grey's Phoenix powers. She comes from a future that may or may not ever happen because she came back in time to prevent it. She hasn't been born in the present of any version of continuity that I know of.

There's also a mini-series in which Scott Summers and Jean Grey end up in the future and raise Cable for a few years but lie to him about who they are. I think I remember that, when they returned to the present, Cable knew who they had been and what they'd done during his childhood.
the_rck: (Default)

[personal profile] the_rck 2018-06-23 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
::laughs:: I wasn't trying to convince you otherwise. It's more of a 'Hey, this is an area where I know some trivia!'
thawrecka: (Default)

[personal profile] thawrecka 2018-06-23 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
En Sabah Nur is Apocalypse, yes, one of his other names; I haven't read much Marvel recently and sold most of my useless comic book memory when I started selling my comic book collection but that's what he got called in Ye Olde Egypt IIRC. This is astoundingly comprehensive, otherwise, which just goes to show how much you can learn from a kink meme.
thawrecka: (Default)

[personal profile] thawrecka 2018-06-23 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
I feel like "not-evil teenage clone" sums up everything I both loved and hated about Marvel Comics once upon a time. Apocalypse is pretty boring, tbh, other than being vaguely responsible for the Age of Apocalypse AU in the comics where everything is dark and edgy and terrible entertaining to past me, so you're not actually missing much.
rushthatspeaks: (Default)

[personal profile] rushthatspeaks 2018-06-23 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
Honestly, Age of Apocalypse is the only crossover event worth bothering with and some of the best id candy Marvel has ever put out. Nate Grey, the alt-version of Cable who actually is the Mutant Messiah! The passionate, sweeping romance between Rogue and Magneto, because apparently his powers mean he can touch her, a fact they never find out in any other timeline because why would they! Magneto's hair! Scott's attempts to be badass, which look even more ludicrous than usual! Beast's... everything!

It's crack and I love it.

Not that Apocalypse does anything in it other than stand there, glower, and try to give Mr. Sinister orders which will either be subverted or simply ignored.
Edited 2018-06-23 06:29 (UTC)
sholio: sun on winter trees (Default)

[personal profile] sholio 2018-06-23 06:17 am (UTC)(link)
You know, for never having read a single comic, this is a surprisingly accurate summary (especially compared to some of what you could have gotten from the fic) - it doesn't take into account recent canon (e.g. Deadpool has a daughter now too, and a surprisingly healthy/supportive relationship with her) but fandom tends to ignore anything that doesn't fit its preferred characterizations, especially in a fandom like this, where I get the impression that the entire fandom has decided to ignore everything in canon since about 2012 or so ...

...you know, written out like that, I do not know why people write Wade as the lonely one who needs more friends...

Haha. I admit I'm slightly biased because I really like the guy, but I, too, cannot understand why Nate doesn't get more of the woobification treatment in fandom, because he spends most of the actual canon being tormented, lonely, and miserable. Actually, for most of the last few years, Deadpool has been the one with a support system and relatively happy life, by his standards, while Cable's life has been a nonstop series of disasters. (Mostly self-inflicted, but still ...)
sholio: sun on winter trees (Default)

[personal profile] sholio 2018-06-23 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
...admittedly I'm not entirely sure how much of "future Deadpool was in a dubcon abusive relationship with Nate's evil clone because Nate abandoned him and it was better than nothing" is actual canon; usually I would have said that was all kinkmeme, but. Given this canon, could go either way.

HAHA. Well, Cable does have an evil clone, that part is accurate ... (But ... this canon ... yeah.)

In general I've found it frustrating to search for fic in this fandom after having already developed certain characterization preferences from canon; it might be easier going the other way! I'm more interested in fic with a Nate focus (and Nate h/c, specifically, which is damned hard to find - at least in the comics fic; movie fic is going a little more my way in that area) - I really do like Wade too, of course, but Nate's the character I latched onto in canon, and it's hard to find fic that hits the characterization aspects I want to read about. It's not that the fandom hates Nate, exactly, but they've definitely got a thing for Nate not appreciating Wade properly, abusing him, abandoning him, etc. It's incredibly frustrating to me because it makes the fic feel like a minefield; it's one of those fandoms where perfectly innocuous-looking fic about my favorite character can very easily take a sudden left turn into Bashingville. It's actually ended up driving me out of a fandom I could easily see myself slipping into; there has been a very abrupt squee-to-meh transition after I finished all of the Cable & Deadpool comics I could get my hands on, went looking for fic, and found reams of it that was very profoundly Not What I Wanted.

There is a part of me that kind of just wants to write the epic Nate h/c fic of my dreams, since no one seems to be writing it for me (though if you run across anything like that, please point me in that direction!) ... but I also suspect there really isn't much of an audience for it, because the fandom doesn't really seem to go for that kind of thing. I could write it anyway, obviously, but I'm already in enough fandoms where I'm writing uphill against the fandom zeitgeist ...

And Spideypool doesn't really interest me at all. (Or the Spiderman-Deadpool comics, in general.) Like you said, there's the queerbaiting issue, and it's just not that fun for me as a pairing; at least from what I've seen, it's very dubconny on Wade's end (since Peter generally doesn't seem to be into it), and Peter doesn't really seem to like him much, and ... idk, it's just not at all what I look for in a pairing. Too antagonistic, not enough mutual appreciation of each other. Whereas with Nate and Wade, their mutual liking and appreciation for each other in canon really gets to me - they like each other, even when they're on opposite sides.

... Which is one reason why it makes it so frustrating that the fic, at least the ones I've been looking at on AO3, seems to have latched onto this characterization where Nate takes him for granted and misuses him. It's not that there aren't occasionally elements of that in canon, but there are also elements of Wade being an absolute dick to Nate, betraying him, etc - they BOTH do it to each other! I mean, it's not at all OOC to have Nate being a little bit of a manipulative dick, because he is. It just throws the whole dynamic off when Wade isn't a dick right back, though, because the most id-catnippy aspect of their canon dynamic for me is their awkward dance back and forth between diehard loyalty and mutual opposition, and it throws a total monkey wrench into everything if only one of them is doing the back-and-forth ally-to-opponent dance.
sholio: sun on winter trees (Default)

[personal profile] sholio 2018-06-23 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
HAHAHAAA wow. That's one of the books I haven't gotten to yet, apparently (the X-Force crossover - because there are approximately a million different books in this storyline).

Comics. Why.
sheliak: Rachel Summers in double silhouette, stars and aliens. (rachel: big picture)

[personal profile] sheliak 2018-06-23 07:56 am (UTC)(link)
Mother Askani is (a future possible version of) Rachel Summers, alternate-timeline daughter of Scott Summers and Jean Grey. She founded the religion of which Cable is the messiah, and also cloned him, because what if she needed a backup? (And then Apocalypse kidnapped and raised the backup clone, because what else could possibly happen under the circumstances?)

... I love Rachel very much, and I just looked at that and had to laugh, because oh, comics.

Anyway, Cable's actual mom is Madelyne Pryor, a clone of Jean Grey who exists because a villain ships Scott/Jean very much and did not want to let death get in the way of his OTP (and also because he wanted Cable to be born and kill Apocalypse). Madelyne was originally a fairly heroic character, but got tricked into making a bargain with demons and has been a villain thereafter, which sucks. I loved her early iteration and miss her a lot.

Her creator Mister Sinister is not a Summers, but he might as well be because he is personally responsible for roughly half of their... Summersness. I feel like he ought to count as their honorary evil uncle or something like that, because without him they would be almost comprehensible.
sheliak: Handwoven tapestry of the planet Jupiter. (Default)

[personal profile] sheliak 2018-06-23 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, there's the argument that she is actually the daughter of Jean and the Phoenix...

(Her universe was still there when she went back to check? Kind of a mess, but that's to be expected.)

I think there's at least one Scott/Emma daughter, named Ruby Summers, but I don't think she's ever left her alternate future... yet.

It's probably simplest to just assume that Sinister is a Summers, because he's due to be retconned into it any day now, he's just as confusing, and anyway Cable is named after him! (He's arguably Cable's grandfather, via creating his mom...)
sheliak: Handwoven tapestry of the planet Jupiter. (Default)

[personal profile] sheliak 2018-06-23 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Indeed.

(I can sometimes trick myself into thinking that they make sense, but then realize that I'm only paying attention to the Rachel-Jean-Madelyne side of things, and also ignoring large swathes of Rachel's backstory...)
umadoshi: (fangirl (bisty_icons))

[personal profile] umadoshi 2018-06-25 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
Rachel Summers, alternate-timeline daughter of Scott Summers and Jean Grey.

I keep being confused by this, but probably because my comics knowledge is literally decades out of date. ^^; I still think of Phoenix-Jean (pre-Dark Phoenix Saga) as a different individual/entity from the original, as per X-Factor retcon, but I gather the more recent canon is that Jean and the Phoenix Force are vastly more entwined than "it replicated her one time"?

I imprinted hard on Rachel as a kid. One of the standout single pages in my memory is her full-page "X-Men, I've gone to kill the Beyonder", even though I remember absolutely nothing else about the context/issue/storyline.
sheliak: Rachel Summers in double silhouette, stars and aliens. (rachel: big picture)

[personal profile] sheliak 2018-06-26 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Me too! Her and Illyana... And that was an amazing page. I love how that artist drew her powered-up, with the lines of power coming off of her hair and costume.

The thing about Rachel's timeline is that it's originally presented as an alternate future of the main universe, diverging when the X-Men stop the Brotherhood from assassinating Senator Kelly, but the divergence had to happen earlier for Rachel to exist.

Basically, she's from a universe where a) Phoenix-Jean was original-Jean merged with the Phoenix, rather than the Phoenix replacing Jean (or Jean simply receiving a power-up), and b) the Dark Phoenix Saga ended with Jean alive.

As to how she got to a different past... well, she doesn't use that power much, so maybe her aim isn't great?

(I tend to think of Phoenix-Jean and main-Jean as the same person, mostly because my library had a lot more X-Men than X-Factor, and had it earlier. So I imprinted on that rather than the retcon. Actual canon seems to be pretty complicated, but I think that recent canon tends to have the Phoenix be obsessed with/invested in Jean. To a sometimes-annoying degree, since a lot of recent writers seem to forget that Rachel was Phoenix for a long time...)
umadoshi: (fangirl (bisty_icons))

[personal profile] umadoshi 2018-07-01 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Oh gosh, yes, Illyana was very formative for me too. ^_^

The thing about Rachel's timeline is that it's originally presented as an alternate future of the main universe, diverging when the X-Men stop the Brotherhood from assassinating Senator Kelly, but the divergence had to happen earlier for Rachel to exist.

I'd always vaguely thought that Rachel's timeline was the "What If Phoenix Hadn't Died?" issue of What If?--is that the same thing, or was Rachel's world described more in the main series? (It's been so long since I really followed X-Men that while I remember some scenes/moments clearly, a lot of things are very blurry.)
sheliak: Handwoven tapestry of the planet Jupiter. (Default)

[personal profile] sheliak 2018-07-07 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think they're the same, but I'm honestly not sure--Rachel has a lot of flashbacks to her timeline in X-Men and Excalibur, but they're not terribly consistent, due to the Phoenix messing with her memories.
schneefink: River walking among trees, from "Safe" (Default)

[personal profile] schneefink 2018-06-23 01:14 pm (UTC)(link)
!! I also think the "bodyslide by two" thing should be a trope in other fandoms as well! (Maybe with a better name. "Bodyslide," seriously? Does that sound better to native speakers?)

You succeeded in making me interested in these two, recs of your favorite fics would be appreciated :)
j00j: rainbow over east berlin plattenbau apartments (Default)

[personal profile] j00j 2018-06-23 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
It's amazing how much canon one can discern from a kinkmeme. I tried to figure out the Summerses and Cable briefly while reading White Rabbit because I'm only a casual X-Men fan but really enjoy Domenika Marzione. Wikipedia REALLY didn't help. My partner who reads more comics than I do can give a more coherent recap but had also given up trying to understand Sumerses. Eventually I just rolled with it. Good fic!
Any highlights from the kinkmeme?
justice_turtle: image of fountain pen with calligraphy text that says "writing" (writing pen)

[personal profile] justice_turtle 2018-06-23 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I don’t know if you’re familiar with the podcast “Jay and Miles X-Plain the X-Men”, which is just starting to reach the Cable years, but every so often they try to explain Summerses and it’s always hilarious. Jay wrote a ballad about the Summers family tree at one point, called “Dear Mr Sinister”. He can also do the entire Summers family tree in under a minute, which is a credit to his powers of both summarization and talking really fast. ^_^ It’s a fun podcast — by far the most organized one I listen to, there are no random beagles at all, but I enjoy the shit out of it anyway.

But yeah, the Designated Woobie trope annoys the fuck out of me. There is no Giles/Ethan fic with the dynamic I want, i.e. actually playing with the fact that Ethan is a pushy bottom and masochistic as hell. There’s barely any that even gets the sass right. o_O But that’s neither here nor there.

*is underslept and not coherent, sorry*
justice_turtle: MacGyver reading with finger to lips, text "im in ur library shushin ur books" (shushin)

[personal profile] justice_turtle 2018-06-23 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
They're doing roughly chronological order, mostly. I'm not entirely sure about X-Plain the Summerses, but I believe there was a fairly recent episode that was X-Plain Cable. I can probably get you more information when I'm not on my phone, but the episode summaries at xplainthexmen dot com tend to be thorough. :-)
sheliak: Scott Summers, wearing the most amazing shirt in the history of comics. (octopus shirt)

[personal profile] sheliak 2018-06-24 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
I think this is the first Cable-focused episode—it's kind of an overview before he actually shows up in continuity: http://www.xplainthexmen.com/2016/12/140-unto-us-a-retcon-is-given-feat-dennis-hopeless/

And this episode is not particularly Cable-centric, but it does start with someone singing a song about his family tree, which is delightful. http://www.xplainthexmen.com/2016/11/as-mentioned-in-episode-134/
(Lyrics here: http://www.xplainthexmen.com/2016/11/as-mentioned-in-episode-134/)

I find the ridiculous continuity tangles weirdly restful at this point. I am not sure what that says about me.
sheliak: Handwoven tapestry of the planet Jupiter. (Default)

[personal profile] sheliak 2018-06-26 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
You're welcome!

Reality does intrude sometimes, but even then it's kind of like, I don't know, embroidery. Finicky to the point where it loops around to being meditative. (Minus the frustration of having to rip out a bunch of work periodically.)
umadoshi: (Yotsuba&! curious (ohsnap_icons))

[personal profile] umadoshi 2018-06-25 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Everything about this post is amazing.

end up with the ability to teleport anywhere, anytime by saying "bodyslide by two", but only if they pull the other one along with them in the teleport

Somehow I had never heard even a murmur about this. O_O Wow, comics!