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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2014-06-07 11:14 am

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oh man oh man oh man con.txt is in less than a week how did that happen

okay so.

1: I still have space in my hotel room if anyone decides to come at the last minute and wants a spot to crash, at this point you can just crash in my room to make me feel less lonely. :P

2: I am running or co-running three panels. Guess how many I have prepped for? NONE.

It would be really, really lovely if my reading list would do my panel prep work for me. :D

Specifically:

Slash Through the Ages

: Which is to say, homoerotic transformative works from before the late 1960s. So far I have a dirty limerick about Enjolras/Grantaire and... some vague memories of other stuff. Sadly, I'm not going to be doing proper research for this because proper research would probably involve, like, a doctoral thesis and research trips to the British Library. BUT!

If anyone has any links to meta or sources about m/m (or f/f or other)-fic-and-art before Star Trek, I would really, really love you if you shared them.

Second, could everybody tell me their favorite m/m or f/f or genderqueer pairing(s) from canon that predates Star Trek? It would at least give me a starting place!

How To Put Fandom on Your Resume Without Putting Fandom on Your Resume

I'm going to be making copies of my current resume (suitably redacted!) which is full of fandom references, to use as an example. Does anybody else have a resume with fandom-related stuff on it (it could be anything from, like, running a 10,000 attendee con, to selling stuff on Etsy, to "familiar with Tumblr") that they would be willing to share?

ETA: I'm also, per request, looking for ways to leverage fandom experience on an academic CV, especially in disciplines other than fan studies.

And second, anybody have links to useful, fannish-community-literate jobhunting resources of any kind?

Making Story Happen

Oh ye gods and little apples, it would be helpful if, like, I could actually write stuff, before I attempt this panel. Um.

Does anyone have links to you favorite how-to-write meta, blogs, or resources?

Can you share with me the specific how-to-write quandary you'd most like to get help with - anything from "how to get a beta" to "how to write a summary" to "how do plot"?


3. As usual, there are about thirty-five panels on the list that I'd like to attend, which is problematic, because there are only seventeen panel slots. I hope nobody expects to ever see me outside the panel rooms. And I'm probably going to attempt an ad-hoc Les Mis one. (Of course, ten of them are panels I nominated or egged someone else into nominating. I should probably stop doing that.)
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[personal profile] lannamichaels 2014-06-07 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, it is saying that the dirtty heterosexual love was about lust, he wanted to fuck her, and then once he did, he wasn't interested in her anymore, as opposed to David and Jonathan, where their souls were intwined and they loved each other completely. Dammit, you're going to make me pull out my Nach and then e-mail people for better sources, aren't you? :P I did say I didn't have good sources on hand, although the source I would have on hand, if I could find it (I looked through three boxes for you! *shakes fist*), is the kehati, and this looks like it's the Kehati commentary, which does the usual "but one's sex and the other is the PURE LOVE THAT IS NON-SEXUAL IT IS FATHERLY WE WILL IGNORE THE FACT THAT DAVID WAS ACTUALY HAVING A WAR WITH JONATHAN ACTUAL-FATHER".

Except... my opinions are, in context in the mishna, it's in this list of "here's an example of a good way of doing this and a bad way of doing this" and also "how do we know the differences between a good way and a bad way" and "what are the kinds of students" &etc. So we go from "how do you love" to "how do you argue", and the argument example is Moshe vs. Korach and Hillel vs. Shammai. Korach wanted glory and power out of it, whereas Hillel and Shammai had a pure machlokes, HOWEVER, they were both still arguments and still disagreements. I mean, sure, you could say that Korach had a lust for power, whereas Hillel and Shammai had true love for Torah, but it's still basically equating them: these are arguments, here's the good way and here's the bad way. Here is love, here's the good way and here's the bad way.

So, you have the bad love which goes away once you fuck (aka Amnon and Tamar) and the good love that doesn't go away, because you love the actual person, not their body.

...I should go find some sources. :P But, tbh, my first introduction to David and Jonathan as potentially lovers was the rabbi getting up in class before we got there and saying NO WAY WERE THEY LOVERS NO WAY THAT IS SLANDER. And considering that there's a hefty amount of that sort of thing... makes a pretty good case to me that people *were* saying that David and Jonathan were lovers, and so they were fanwanking against that. There's no point in refuting a point that no one's making.