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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2011-07-22 08:48 pm

identity porn

We went to see the new Harry Potter movie this afternoon! Mostly for the air conditioning, because it is too hot here right now. (Yesterday was my library volunteer day, and I hung around on library wireless until 8 pm or so. Tomorrow I am planning to spend the afternoon in the city, visiting friends. Sunday, the current plan is to be knee-deep in the creek as much as possible.

...I like living in a house with no A/C. We're so much more... connected to the cycles of nature.)

Anyway, so that old tired fandom is done with now! Now we can concentrate properly on shiny new ones! Like Ranma 1/2! :D

Okay, okay, I did like the movie. It was very epic. I was extremely impressed by Helena Bonham Carter playing Emma Watson. She's fairly awesome. Why is it the only rpf fandom she ever shows up in is UK politics? And they pretty much did justice to the book, possibly even better in places -- the whole "Snape-is-a-creepy-stalker-to-Lily" thing even managed to be less than entirely repellant.

We saw it in 3D because that's how the times worked out, and eh. 3D would be really awesome if it just worked, say, 25% better, but as it is I seem to be spending as much time going "ugh why does it look wrong" as "omg awesome!" I think part of it is depth of field - I know it's just how cameras work, but somehow 3D + small depth of field just doesn't work for me. Though I have discovered that when the 3D gets too annoying, I can just take off both the 3D glasses and my regular glasses, and then it looks about normal - my eyes naturally have small depth of field, so things getting blurrier as they get farther away looks right, and my vision is just bad enough that the double-image effect is canceled out, but I can still read the expressions on faces.

...I suspect that isn't meant to be the point of the 3D trend.

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In other news, and entirely not connected to me writing the scene where Ranma and Ryoga tell Akane about P-chan (connected rather more directly to the pseud discussions triggered by G+), I have been thinking about Identity Porn.

Particularly, I have been thinking that it needs a fanlore entry, that I could probably put together a multifandom recs post of classics in the genre, and that I have the 'roleplay' square on my kink_bingo card and nothing to put in it.

However, I know there are people reading this who share that kink, and some of you I think were even around DC fandom when the term was coined, and not just lurking the way I was, so before I started writing I wanted to ask for advice.

Does anyone know specifically when/where the term was coined? The first use I can find for it by searching is in the header material of [personal profile] petra and [personal profile] jamjar's How to Marry A Millionaire, but they use it as if the term would be readily understood by their audience, so that cant've been the actual first usage.

Any other stories about how & where the term has spread would be great, too. And anything about how you would define the term, or thoughts on the whys and wherefores and affinities of the kink. (Hey, you might end up cited on fanlore!

For those of you who aren't familiar with the term, except perhaps by hearing me use it: 'Identity Porn' is a narrative kink for stories which focus on people with fluid, or multiple, or secret, identities, and how those identities work. The classic example is the Clark/Lois/Superman love triangle, but it can get a lot more subtle than that, too. But it isn't just any fic where people are keeping secrets or using a secret identity: it has to approach it from a particular direction, that I have been thinking of to myself as being about "role-playing as yourself", where the various identities start escaping from the boxes the characters try to keep them in, overlapping and blending. It is generally heavy on the dramatic irony, interesting combinations of denial and self-awareness, compartmentalization taken to extremes, and grand reveals. I'd love to put together a multifandom recs post that has all the classics in the genre, and explores a lot of different ways of doing it.

I asked for identity porn recs on [community profile] kink_finders, and got some good stuff, but I thought I'd ask here about specific fandoms that I am still looking for fic in, because I know I've got people who know some of these fandoms backwards and forwards. So:

Sherlock Holmes fandom : any recommendations for fic that play up Sherlock's fun with disguises, or mysterious pasts, or Reichenbach, or Irene crossdressing, or anything like that? I am thinking about including "Thoughts Without Words" and/or the one where Watson writes porn, but I feel like I'm missing something.

Inception fandom : This fandom ought to have a ton of this, from what I've seen in passing, ...but I don't read in this fandom. Any suggestions for stuff I have to include on the recs list?

X-men / Marvelverse : I think I'm good on the Steve/Tony (Unless there's something I'm missing that wasn't recced on the kink_finders post) but is there any X-men or Spiderman or Avengers fic that's identity-porny that I just have to include?

DueSouth : I may/may not include those two fics by Speranza with the undercover goodness, but what are the fics that focuse on the Rays' undercover experiences that I really, really need to include?

Highlander : I know there's a lot of Methos fic that talks about identity (really, there's not a lot of Methos fic that doesn't), but which ones in particular would you pick out as being mostly about shifting identities and living undercover?

Barrayar : Surely someone has written Lord Auditor Vorkosigan/Lady Vorkosigan/Admiral Naismith, right? Or something? There's so very much identity porn in this canon, but none of the fic is immediately coming to mind. (Actually, I keep falling back on Ivan fic even though it's Miles and Mark and Cordelia and Gregor who specialize in this stuff.)

Man from UNCLE : MfU fans! I know there is fic out there that's identity porny! Where is it?

RPF: I know, broad category, but I don't feel like figuring out how to break it up. A lot of these say interesting things about public/private, real me/stage me, but I'm not coming up with much from memory. Where's the fic where real!Stephen roleplays as stage!Stephen for Jon? Where David Tennat and John Simm don't quite manage to get out of character? Where the closeted rock star has a crisis over real gay vs. stage gay?

I think I'm covered for DCU, Dr. Who, and Naruto (and probably for anything involving Tony Stark), but I'm sure there's other stuff I'm missing, too...

(No, this isn't just a transparent ploy to get more recs for me to read. I'm working on a fanlore entry! Honest!)
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[personal profile] elke_tanzer 2011-07-23 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
You know, there ought to be some fic of this genre for Sanctuary (the Amanda Tapping one)... I mean, Jack the Ripper is a Jekyll/Hyde sort of character.

Also perhaps any of the sci-fi fandoms which have symbiotic characters sharing a body with a host... if the host or the symbiote has to play-act the other within that body.

Hmmm.
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[personal profile] ellen_fremedon 2011-07-23 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
Harry Potter has a whole genre of Polyjuice stories. The best one that came immediately to mind is [personal profile] marinarusalka's "Wear My Face," but there are scores of others.
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2011-07-23 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
IDENTITY PORN! I don't think you know [personal profile] aria and you totally need to go read everything she writes because she is ALL OVER THAT. The two that comes most immediately to mind as being about identity are The Naming Of Things, which is about how the Master becomes the Master, and I know you said you're good for Doctor Who but -- ARIA. And the other would be All That Remains, which is Highlander fic about Methos' identity stuff. (pay attention to the usage of "Adam" and "Methos" in the first part! And then of course the whole thing is about Methos' identity.)

Also, I KNOW there's some amazing Due South identity porn about the Ray Vecchi-Ray Kowalski thing, and about the Armando Langoustini-Ray Vecchio thing. And I know I bookmarked them! Except that my Due South days were before my obsessive Delicious tagging days, so I can't be any help to you there. DRAT. (There's this ficlet by spuffyduds, which is recent enough to at least be tagged with character names, but that's all I've got for you.)

And I really should be in bed right now so I will RETURN LATER, hopefully with stuff for you in MFU and Highlander and maybe also Inception!
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[personal profile] elf 2011-07-23 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know of any White Collar identity porn, and it seems to me the fandom needs some of that.

There is indeed some wonderful Harry Potter polyjuice (and a few other kinds of diguises) fic; you may have to wade through a lot of brimming-with-secrets fic to sort out "identity porn" from "that was YOU I stuck my dick in?" stories.

The Prisoner would be great for identity porn. I may suggest that for Yuletide.

Seems that Star Wars would have room for some, especially with Amidala and her friend swapping places occasionally.
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[personal profile] torachan 2011-07-23 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
Have you read [personal profile] thingswithwings's Strictly Method? It's all about Holmes and disguises.
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[personal profile] melusina 2011-07-23 12:27 pm (UTC)(link)
This is something that *really* interests me, and it's one of the charms of bandom for me. Here are some of the bandom stories I've read recently that deal with this:

"Distance in the Afterlife" - Gerard comes out while MCR is on tour, the media recontextualizes the "stage gay" with Frank and assumes Frank and Gerard are a couple and Frank starts telling everyone that they *are* dating, much to Gerard's confusion/frustration.

"So, So Fucked" This is pretty much the Fall Out Boy version of that story, except Pete's only *pretending* to come out to cover for an awkward misunderstanding. Of course, he subsequently realizes that he's just very very oblivious. . .

"Spencer Smith Saved My Gay Cred and All I Got Was This Sparkly T-shirt" - Pete questions Panic's "gay cred" and Spencer kisses Brendan to end the argument. The problem is that Brendan didn't know that Spencer was bi. (This is more obliquely identity porn, but I think it counts.)

"More Than He Can Say" - Frank kisses Gerard onstage and then Gerard kisses Frank offstage. This one has an interesting internal monolog from Frank about making his kiss look like "stage gay" even though it's real.
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[personal profile] petra 2011-07-23 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I may have originated "identity porn" as a term and then popularized it, going by my chatlogs from the period. The evidence suggests that I used it as though my audience knew what I meant in part because the people I thought of as my core DCU audience had heard it the time I put the term in the headers. I'd used it via IM with most of the people I was depending on to read the story. I

In the chatlog searching, I found instances where I referred to the How to Marry a Millionaire 'verse while I was writing it as "The Identity Porn story," so for me at the time they seem to have been more or less synonymous.

Or it's possible that my first hypothesis when I read your query was right, and that Te defined it in some of her epic DCU meta and I picked it up and ran with it, but a dive into her DCU meta tag and a bunch of searching hasn't borne fruit. My first usage was via IM to Jamjar, 5/28/05, in the context of talking about the Millionaire 'verse. We'd already posted the first story, and were working on the second, so we had the context of "playing with identities" already.

Judging by all of that, I think "roleplaying as oneself" is a great place to start in how I define it. There's a certain fracturing of self required that makes it roleplaying by exaggerating one aspect of oneself. The aspect could be a named identity, as in Batman or Bruce Wayne the playboy, or a character trait, real or assumed, that one pretends is the whole of one's identity, as I expect happens in the stage gay stories.

I haven't read all of the things other people have labeled with the term, but I wonder if the striving for wholeness, for the truth behind the masks, is what other people kink on emotionally. For me, the point of identity porn has to do with the ways it shows the whole person who's pretending to be only part of themselves. The climax, then, is when all those masks collide and fall apart, leaving the whole person exposed to someone else who knows them better than they ever would have without the playing with masks.
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[personal profile] brownbetty 2011-07-23 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I just searched through my chat logs, and the earliest reference I can find is late 2007, eight months after HtMaM.

I feel like Te must have talked about it beforehand, but I think that is just a general conviction that all kinks lead/originate in te.

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[personal profile] lady_ganesh 2011-07-23 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder if Tsukiyono Omi/Takatori Mamoru from Weiss Kreuz would serve for these purposes? Tsukiyono Omi is an identity that was created for Mamoru, but there's definitely a lot of fic about his shifting identity.

This is the best example I could come up with quickly but I could certainly harvest more.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine 2011-07-23 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
For due South, maybe Kat Allison? (Her stuff.) The Armando Vecchio series is, I think, the most notable example of this, but she hits this note again and again. (Also maybe check out her Highlander stuff, like One for the Road. Methos is a character whose entire life is identity porn.)
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[personal profile] jest 2011-07-23 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never heard the term Identity Porn before, but if I understand it right, the most appropriate MFU fic would be Waiting for Mr. Sternmacher. Ignore the hideous formatting - the story is worth it.

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[personal profile] musesfool 2011-07-23 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think this is what you're looking for, but I know there's some old X-Men movieverse fic where Rogue deals with integrating the various personalities she's absorbed, and plays around with wearing them. I know there's fic where she pursues Jean a la Logan, and Xavier a la Magneto.

I don't think there is as much identity porn in X-Men because they seem much more well-integrated vis a vis hero persona/civilian persona than the DC heroes do, or at least, it's far more of an open secret. The only Marvel heroes who seem prone to it, in my limited knowledge of the fandoms, are Spider-Man and Daredevil.

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[personal profile] petra 2011-07-23 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Regarding due South, a different discussion reminded me that Resonant's American Way shades from roleplaying to identity porn for me.
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[personal profile] sage 2011-07-23 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure if you're aware, but there is an Identity Porn tag on AO3. It only has 58 uses and most of them are comics, but there are some other fandoms too.
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2011-07-23 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, let's see! Identity porn rec time! Hopefully these fulfill what you mean when you talk about identity porn -- probably some are closer than others.

Highlander!

Akratophoros: Methos as Dionysos
There Shall Come Up Briers and Thorns, and my sequel And the Stars of Heaven Shall Fall: Jesus as an Immortal
Phone Lines: Having another identity on a gay phone chat line
Brothers and Other Strangers: Methos forgets he's anyone but Adam Pierson
One for the Road: Methos isn't one to be tied to one life for long

And I can give you three different fics about Methos that are more-or-less identity porny and are all in second person, which I thought was an intriguing thing. Second person is rare, but I guess it works well for character explorations of this nature!

Inception:

Breaking and Entering: Eames is very good at pretending.
Caught And Sang In Flight: Arthur and Eames start a game where Arthur doesn't know the character Eames expects him to play and Eames doesn't know who sets the rules.
Dreaming Up:Arthur, despite how he is on a job, is actually very lowbrow
Anal [Inception] aka Not Now Cobb We're Doing BGs: Eames and Arthur teaming up on WoW without realizing they're playing with each other
untitled: Eames is in unrequited love with Arthur, Arthur is in unrequited love with Cobb. They have a system worked out, though--Eames poses as Cobb for him (Arthur is aware it's not really Dom), and they both pretend they're getting what they want.
In Our Line Of Work: If the last ten years of your life were a dream, then who are you?
Towards Zero: Arthur meets a projection of Eames long before he ever meets the man himself, and becomes somewhat obsessed with him. And then after he HAS met Eames, has to carefully keep the projection and the man separate in his mind.

MFU: Alas, my bookmarks from this era of my fannish life aren't as well organized, so I don't have much to offer.

An Actor Prepares: Illya becoming Colonel Nestor

RPF:

Plan PretendCanadian actor rpf, about the character vs actor stuff.
Method Acting and its sequels Character Bleed and Improvisation: Supernatural rpf, the titles are pretty self explanatory
Sometimes A Man Gets Carried AwayThe Social Network rpf, a similar thing to above, with the characters getting involved in the actor slash
Don't Hide Your LightSupernatural rpf, From a very young age, Jensen has been told what it means to be a man, and he does everything he's supposed to. His next-door neighbor, Jared, doesn't seem to get it.
Opened You Up Wide: Bandom rpf, publicity gay chicken




OKAY WOW I GOT KIND OF CARRIED AWAY. I hope some of this is useful to you!


Also, does fic in which the characters pretend to be in a relationship count as identity porn? Because I could come up with a LOT of that!

And how about fic in which a character is trans?
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2011-07-23 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry, I didn't really manage to get any more Due South in there, although the Canadian actor one kind of is.

Also, I think there are some typos in some of the titles and things, so please ignore that. I don't have comment-editing capabilities...

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[personal profile] stellar_dust 2011-07-24 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
There has got to be a lot of it in Merlin fic, yeah? What with Merlin being the most powerful wizard in the world and also a servant and no one can ever know. The Student Prince is one that you rec'ed me a while ago, but I am sure there are lots of others you can find!

Also I just enjoyed My Immortal by [livejournal.com profile] elisi, in which Jack Harkness is secretly also The Immortal from that one episode of Angel S5.

Now, as for some others you will have to tell me whether they count or not?

There is a chuck of awesome Homestuck fic about Davesprite (and other Doomed Daves) and what it means not to be the Alpha Dave any more - not really about juggling multiple identities, but being one bit of a fractured identity and knowing you're not "real." here's one, here's another, here's a really sad one.

Then there is a whole subgenre where the kids aren't all they seem to be on pesterchum - there's a bunch where they're pretending to be the opposite gender, and a sub-subgenre in which Dave is mute. There's also a subsubgenre in which Dave is ftm, but I suspect that's not quite what you're looking for unless it approaches it in a particular narrative sense - i.e. you want fic that is about juggling multiple identities, not struggling to maintain a preferred identity?

There are some awesome ones where Karkat is secretly a highblood but doesn't always realize it - Spread Your Wings (which as you might guess is wingfic) and Below the Storm in which he has gills. These are not about active identities in that one embodied identity is suppressed, but there is the secrecy and the reveal that plays into the narrative in what I think is a similar way.

Then there is this Sherlock one in which John is secretly Death? The Realm of Make-Believe


... Ok, I'm gonna stop there because I have a feeling the only one of these that *really* fits the bill is the Buffy/Jack story, I think the rest of these may be playing with identity in somewhat subtler ways than what you mean when you say "identity porn." What about ones where Q has to stay human? Or Spock/McCoy, post-katra debacle? Anything about the Doctor where he's just barely post-regeneration and trying to figure himself out? Or where Rory is plastic and it's weird? These are the kinds of identity-twisting stories that I like to read, but I don't know if they fit your request, because they tend to be internal negotiations between one, two, or several people, and mostly about evolving identities rather than multiple ones - not the sort of maintaining multiple identities for various situations that you seem to be mostly looking for. (Except maybe Merlin and possibly the lying-over-pesterchum ones.) If this IS what you're looking for I can provide more from my recs (not comprehensively tagged, alas).

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Lots of spoilers in here, namely of the "where identity porn shows up" sort

[personal profile] epershand 2011-07-25 08:00 am (UTC)(link)
Yessss identity porn. The first instance of it in my life, although obviously not under the term "identity porn" was actually the Sartre play Kean. In the climax of the show, Edmund Kean, playing Othello in a play-within-the-play, breaks character and announces: "I am an actor playing the part of Kean playing the part of Othello. I am nothing, I play at being what I am." [sadly, my only cite is this quiz I made in my misspent youth. But if we wander away from fanfiction into theatre the field gets impossibly broad, so I'm pulling back to fic now.

Smallville:
Being really a comics fandom, obviously there's a ton here--Lots of Clark as Kal El, Clark as Superman, etc. And especially in Smallville futurefic there was a ton of stuff with Superman and Luthor play-acting their public relationship while remaining secretly friends/lovers as Clark and Lex. I'm sure there was even more of this later on when they introduced other super heroes, but I left the fandom mid-s4. Things that spring readily to mind:

Gotham Underground: Lots of elaborate games with Clark and Bruce hiding their identities from each other. Ultimately winds up involving Lex in the Batsuit.
Switch: A Comedy of Terrors. Even more identity-porny than your standard bodyswap, which is already a trope ripe for identity porn. (I think [personal profile] rivkat also wrote a story about Clark dividing into two people at one point, but it's not on the AO3 and I'm somewhat lazy this late at night.)

There are two more I want to mention, but can't seem to find at all: in the first, Chloe secretly had superpowers and Lois was her alternate identity. The second opened with Clark dating Lex while Superman dated Lois and the resulting fallout, and then bloomed into Mxyzptlk taking over Clark's life and merging all his identities together in unexpected ways.

XMM:
The Xavier/Magneto/Mystique identity porn that springs to mind is [personal profile] astolat's Going Down and its sequels, with the Xavier/Magneto mediated by Mystique taking on both mens' forms. On a related note in XMFC, there's [personal profile] marina's Ghost in the Machine, with a similar concept but updated character motivation.

Bujold:
My personal favorite is Tide of Stars, in which post-series Miles travels back in time to the events of Mirror Dance. The Mark + Miles + future Miles interactions are to die for.

Bandom:
Any Note You Can Reach: Gerard and Brendon's stage personas flirt elaborately via youtube; the actual guys don't know how to deal with meeting each other.

Yet: Identity porn! Now with a side serving of breaking-the-fourth-wall porn! Gabe and Vicky T discuss what fake them have been getting up to on the internet.

Ryland Blackinton and his character Guy Ripley also do a large amount of identity porn on youtube (an example is here--Guy interviews Ryland at 3:43); there's some good Guy Ripley fic out there, but sadly I haven't read any fic with extensive Guy + Ryland interactions.
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[personal profile] gloss 2011-07-25 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a really embarrassing question, but do you want self-recs? Obviously, since the ones I'm thinking of haven't been mentioned they don't qualify as "classics of the genre", but identity porn is pretty much one of my most favorite things and, idk, maybe you could get something out of them or whatever.

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[personal profile] elspethdixon 2011-07-26 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)
You said you had Steve/Tony covered, but I feel like I have to mention Crimsonquill's "Beneath the Armor" anyway, because it deals with one of the tastiest parts of identity porn - the secret identity reveal.

Hmmm... for some examples where the identity porn is emo/id-porn rather than actual porn, there's:

All the Kings Horses by probeda (Zorro), where the tasty angst of "A doesn't know that B is also C, and thus has mistaken ideas about both and there is conflict" is of the father/son conflict variety and there's also the always awesome "superhero gets captured by bad guys in his civilian persona."

Magnificent Seven has some decent gen identity porn in some of the fandom's ATF-verse (a widely written modern AU) fics where the team's con man goes undercover with various criminal organizations, but I unfortunately can't remember any specific titles at the moment.

And this one's technically got actual porn, but it's more of an epic-length crime/undercover-with-the-mob novel than anything else::
Bird of Prey, by CollaneR, which has two layers of identity porn, with Gordon knowing that Batman has gone deep undercover with the mob as [a name that tragically isn't Matches Malone, which is the fic's sole flaw], but not know that Batman is Bruce Wayne.
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[personal profile] ciaan 2011-07-30 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
In Smallville, there's That Old Schizophrenic Jealousy by Lenore, about a Clark/Lex//Superman love triangle thing.

And then there are some CW RPF fics with Jensen-as-Dean/Jared or Jared-as-Sam/Jensen.

If you reply to this to remind me I will get the links later when I'm on a computer with a working mouse.