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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2019-04-17 09:43 pm

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I just wrote what was supposed to be a couple of paragraphs of reaction to [personal profile] siderea's post about Marie Kondo and books, which turned into multiple pages of feelsdump about tidying and really the only parts that need to see the light of day are

Derry Girls is fine, I guess, but if you've watched one of the Sister Michael compilation vids you're probably good stopping there
and
(A story about a large donations-sorting center that has some kind of magical heatsink/storage battery for all the bad vibes from the spirits of trashed once-beloved objects is something I would like to read, please. Anyone who thinks Westerners don’t understand animism of made objects has never helped sort junk donations on a large scale and seen what people couldn’t bear to throw away. We’re just deeply uncomfortable with it because most of us don’t have a good framework to understand it in. Can we call the story "The Joy Equations"? Can we power an FTL drive with the accumulated spiritual sadness of the debris of the Age of Excess?)
Anyway, what it was meant to be an intro to: I have finally finished all of the small tasks I could pretend were "preparation" and have to face the next piece of my ongoing tidying project: fit ~400 unshelved nonfiction books onto ~6 available feet of linear shelf space.

Okay yes that seems comically impossible on the face of it, but I think I can squeeze a fair amount of more space by accepting that all the rest of the nonfiction will just have to be shelve for maximum space use instead of attractiveness of shelves, and also weed about 10%-15% of the collection as I go.

It's the weeding that's going to be hard. Most of these books have already survived multiple weeds, and I don't buy any new ones unless:

  1. they make me happy.
  2. I could not easily get another copy if I needed one on short notice* (i.e., they aren't the sort of thing that's on every library shelf and in every used bookstore in fifteen copies, they aren't constantly in print, and if they're public domain they either don't have a digital copy available free yet or there's a reason I want a physical copy instead.)
  3. they fit into a certain short list of topics of special interest that I am likely to find useful at some point.

*being able to get them on Amazon doesn't count because Amazon is evil and also I don't let myself bookshop on Amazon because I have enough of a problem already. Being able to get them in non-free-to-share ebook doesn't count because just because they're accessible in ebook now doesn't mean they will be later, and just because I have them saved as files now doesn't mean I'll be able to access the files later: learned that one hard and early.

This list is fairly static over time and fairly well refined at this point, and most of the books I buy these days fit into more than one category on it (at 3+ it's pretty much a lock to buy.) But I realized it also only existed in my head and it might be a useful exercise to write it out.

Not comprehensive, but hopefully close. And a lot of the categories are more refined than the best wording I've come up with so far, but these are pretty close.

  1. adult coloring books that are either x-rated adult or have informational content
  2. african-american culture, race
  3. ancient history
  4. anthropology of aesthetics and epistemology
  5. artificial intelligence
  6. asexuality and singlehood
  7. backpacking and hiking
  8. biblical exegesis & apocrypha
  9. bibliophibianism
  10. blank books for sketching or commonplace books
  11. cartography
  12. classic/historical feminism
  13. daily life in military service, religious communities, and other closed societies
  14. death
  15. design in popular culture
  16. disability cultures and histories
  17. disasters and apocalypses
  18. dollhouse miniatures
  19. early aviation history and fighter pilots
  20. Easy to low intermediate piano books (with songs I want to play)
  21. epidemiology
  22. ethology and domestication
  23. etymology, toponymy, historical linguistics
  24. fanworks and intellectual property rights
  25. fiction that has been specifically recommended to me or fills in a series I've reread
  26. field guides
  27. fire
  28. folk and historical textile arts
  29. folklore and fold knowledge generally
  30. fun with math & statistics & logic
  31. history of games
  32. gender and kinship across cultures
  33. historical cookery
  34. historic costume
  35. historical sex and etiquette books and householders' companions
  36. history of the blues
  37. Iceland
  38. invertebrate biology
  39. anthropology case studies
  40. kites
  41. local history (for locations I have a personal connection to)
  42. Lutheranism
  43. mad science
  44. mid-20th century or earlier comics, especially non-superhero
  45. mythology and religion
  46. native americans and the precolumbian americas
  47. naturalists' lives
  48. neuroscience case studies
  49. Newspaper comics
  50. paleontology
  51. paranormal/pseudoscience/mystical/magical/general weird stuff topics
  52. plants and fungi
  53. poetry in translation
  54. polar & alpine exploration
  55. primitive skills/wilderness survival/self-sufficiency/things to do after global civilization collapses/etc.
  56. public transit, vernacular architecture, and urban design
  57. radio
  58. rogue economists
  59. science fiction and poetry writing
  60. sketching and watercolor, scientific illustration
  61. space exploration and travel, planetary bodies
  62. pre-1970s children's books, especially Stratemeyer Syndicate ones
  63. historic spies and pirates
  64. Symbology, codicology, paleography, calligraphy
  65. taxonomy and evolution
  66. the labor movement
  67. the global middle ages
  68. things relevant to writing Captain America or Les Miserables canon periods or old copies of Hugo novels

¯_(ツ)_/¯

LOOK I HAVE A LOT OF SPECIAL INTERESTS OKAY

And yes I really do need multiple books on all these topics. I mean right now I'm working on an art project that so far requires books on calligraphy, Norse and Saxon decorative design, historic costume illustration, the history of playing cards, the Lewis chessmen, swords, and medieval cartography. And I did need all four calligraphy books because one has facsimiles of actual historic scripts, one has stroke-by-stroke (but less historically accurate) instructions for all the scripts, one has fewer scripts but teaches you about design as well as handwriting, and one has illuminated capitals.

And my current fanfiction project requires an equally tall stack on religion, 1st century history, the early Christian church, Jewish folklore and angelology.

And I just loaned a friend several books on knotwork and macrame for her newest project.

And I have another pile of Taoist-influenced philosophy and ancient China sitting aside for whenever I get back to working on The Book of Force Powers and/or writing Kunlun fic.

My books are, on the whole, not just sitting idly on the shelves, because I try not to get ones that will. (Hopefully at least 10-15% of them are though! That's the dream.)

...at least I have a nice starter list of tags to use in the catalog as I re-shelve?

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[personal profile] china_shop 2019-04-18 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
Guess which bit of this post jumped out at me?

and/or writing Kunlun fic.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/is super-predictable
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[personal profile] primeideal 2019-04-18 03:54 am (UTC)(link)
I would tag myself by number but sometimes I find myself weirded out at how similar we are :) good luck!!
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[personal profile] hannah 2019-04-18 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
In the London Library - not the British Library, the London Library, the private one started by Charles Dickens and friends - the books on aviation are under ballooning. Because that was the closest cataloging topic the place had for them. You're in good company with this list of yours.
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[personal profile] kore 2019-04-18 05:40 am (UTC)(link)
Bibliophibianism!
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[personal profile] thedarlingone 2019-04-18 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
Part of my feeling about this has to be due to my photographic memory for words, I think. Once I've read a book, other than a few reference books, it's pretty much in here. And part of it is of course due to the chronic homelessness. Owning books, and paper books, may be a marker of a certain intellectual class, but right now -- unless I can get my stuff back from the person who was storing it, which I may not be able to, I currently own two paper books. (One is a book of knitting colorwork patterns which I use as a mousepad rest, the other is a one-volume LOTR that I bought recently because... well, LOTR.)

So I haven't had the luxury of owning paper books for a very long time, but I also have never been a "bibliophibian" anyway. I go through phases of reading ten books in a day, but I also go through months where I don't read a single book, where I may not even keep up with my friends' fanfic output. I owned perhaps a dozen paper books before this last bout of homelessness, perhaps three dozen before I left Indiana. I can't own a lot of physical objects or I get overstimulated and overwhelmed.

When I was studying geology, that was a problem. Geologists have rocks *everywhere*. They carry their own body weight in rocks up and down mountains. A geology lab is a place with rocks stacked on every available surface. So I'd come back from a geology field trip with one fossil shell I found, because that was what I liked, and people would be earnestly trying to give me some of their rock samples because they were so sorry that I hadn't found enough.

I feel a little like that about bibliophibians. I can't speak to Marie Kondo, but within that intellectual subculture, there's definitely this particular expectation (even among librarians) that one should desire to own all the books. That one will want to own all the books. It does not occur to people in this particular class that one might wish to own only a few select books but could still be a ridiculously overeducated, hyperintelligent tortoise.

I'm falling asleep with my eyes open, so hopefully this is wordful.
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[personal profile] seascribble 2019-04-18 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, it's not the...longest list?
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[personal profile] oracne 2019-04-18 02:25 pm (UTC)(link)
If you are using them or plan to, that seems like a point in favor of keeping them. Is shelf space the only issue? Can you circulate them in and out of the shelves somehow?

Are any of the books unread so far? I had some luck going through my TBR, because there were books in there in which I was no longer interested; or when I opened them, I found I didn't like the style or whatever, and realized I wouldn't read them.
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[personal profile] thedarlingone 2019-04-18 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
On the librarian topic specifically, I was thinking of bookblather / tigerkat24, who is a librarian and who has books the way my geology professors had rocks - stacked everywhere, crammed onto shelves, and lurking under the bedcovers. I lived with Kat for a year so she's sort of my default librarian in my head.

I haven't actually read Marie Kondo's book, and at this point if I do I'll just turn into a "somebody is Wrong on the internet" in the discourse about it. ;P I might someday, but you know.

Honestly my sense of how many physical books people own is probably skewed, because all my friends are in the internet. My comparisons are Kat, my bio-family (not an inch of wall space that lacked a bookshelf), and people who write thinkpieces in the general tone of Siderea's post. Kat is lovely and will bring me infinite books if I want them but does not pester me when I'm not in a reading mood. My bio-family does judge people hard for owning insufficient books but would also judge you (nonspecific) for the way you breathe, they're very elitist and relatively poor and come from specifically a Roman Catholic spin on Great Books(tm) academic culture but are not themselves career academics, that may be a formative part of how I picture Book People and how I interpret things like those quote bags that say "I cannot live without books". I'm thinking out loud here but that makes sense. And thinkpiece people who insist on regarding physical books as sacred artifacts irritate the fuck out of me. (The "kids these days and their Kindles" line in Siderea's post has really put my back up.) I'm on... at least my fourth copy of LOTR, because I read the first three literally to pieces.

I can be a bit precious about editions when it comes to illustrated books, the pictures need to be the correct ones - I forget what book I was looking at, but I was in Barnes and Noble and I picked up a book I'd been thinking about owning again and it had been reillustrated, quite nicely but the author's original illustrations were gone, and it felt oddly like something had been violated. The colorized Garth Williams illustrations in the latest anniversary release of Little House are the same way for me. But the... soul of a book, I guess, the words themselves? As long as it's not abridged, the particular physical book is fungible. And thinkpiece people tend to put my back up with reverence about irrelevancies like the smell of decaying paper (which at least Siderea had the sense not to).

"spend all their time moaning about how they are personally victimized by their to-read list and they will probably die buried under a collapsed bookshelf and they have an addiction problem."

This does coincide with the fringes of book tumblr I have wandered near. My aggressive curation of my blogrolls probably means I don't have an actual sense of Book Culture, or of any culture beyond (right now) my current microfandom, but I have seen these posts. I had thought of them as likely containing a significant proportion of tumblresque exaggeration, because the people I know who actually keep to-read lists are fairly undramatic about it (especially Pedanther, who keeps a Dreamwidth mostly for his monthly reading logs and seldom even comments on the books unless asked). But I hang out with undramatic people in general. ^_^

This still may not be coherent, I apologize if any of it comes across as trying to argue, rather than as mildly sleep-deprived rambling.
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[personal profile] jesse_the_k 2019-04-18 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I had to resist this as well.
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[personal profile] jesse_the_k 2019-04-18 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been aggressively deploying Calibre and feeling confident that I'm set against a small-scale data apocalypse. Are your thoughts Being able to get them in non-free-to-share ebook doesn't count because just because they're accessible in ebook now doesn't mean they will be later, and just because I have them saved as files now doesn't mean I'll be able to access the files later: learned that one hard and early related to a we-lose-electric-grid level apocalypses?
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[personal profile] thenewbuzwuzz 2019-04-18 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Your personal library sounds amazing.
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[personal profile] kore 2019-04-18 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
....it me
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[personal profile] kore 2019-04-18 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Real book people get most of their books at the Goodwill and the Friends of the Library sale, and spend all their time moaning about how they are personally victimized by their to-read list and they will probably die buried under a collapsed bookshelf and they have an addiction problem.

I FEEL SO CALLED OUT RIGHT NOW lol

(All of the wall space in our bedroom is taken up by bookshelves. We live in Seattle and my partner says if the Big One hits during our lifetime, we're toast.)
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[personal profile] kore 2019-04-18 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
AWW BUT NOW I WANT TO HEAR THAT.
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[personal profile] kore 2019-04-18 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
being able to get them on Amazon doesn't count because Amazon is evil and also I don't let myself bookshop on Amazon because I have enough of a problem already. Being able to get them in non-free-to-share ebook doesn't count because just because they're accessible in ebook now doesn't mean they will be later, and just because I have them saved as files now doesn't mean I'll be able to access the files later: learned that one hard and early.

Ahahaha this made me so twitchy. But yeah. I have stuff on the cliche floppy drives in a desk drawer. I think they might as well be fan themed coasters by now.

So in theory, if I had an ebook I wanted easily accessible for the forseeable future, I could (often illegally) strip DRM and then keep multiple copies on both local and cloud backups (which aren't all dependent on the same corporation) that I'm making sure to do regular maintenance and checks on (and for the cloud services, probably paying subscription fees) or... I could buy a paperback copy for $.50 and the money goes to charity and still have it in seventy years with no effort. Shelf space is kind of a hassle, but so is digital data upkeep, and for me personally, shelf space is easier.

Yeah, I often wonder about what is going to happen when my Kindles crap out (I still have the first one I ever got). Do I lose all my notes? How do I back those up exactly? Will they be easily accessible? Do I keep a list of everything on the Kindle so I can back it up elsewhere? What if something happens and I can't open those files? &c &c &c. I have enough hang-ups about permanence already, and thinking that a now not-insignificant portion of my entire library might vanish into the aether Does Not Help. But I really can't do the casual book-buying "Oh I might read this" pickup of 10-20 paperbacks in one weekend at my little local used bookstore that I used to do, because I literally do not have the room anymore.

-- I actually did have to sell a large part of my library after grad school, for financial reasons, and a very nice used bookstore in Santa Fe paid me incrementally probably about $500 for what was maybe like 2,000 books. I thought I was okay with it at the time but after (this was before online cataloguing, and I hadn't done manual tracking) I was driven CRAZY by thinking I had a book when I didn't. I also did two big book culls before I went to college, with the result that now a lot of books I had as a kid/adolescent are gone but I no longer remember what they were. :P But those were voluntary. And even then, when I got to college and brought most (not all) of my library along with me, I still had paperbacks stacked up along the walls. My friends were like: "You come to a school with a giant library and Great Books Program and you BROUGHT books here?"

(Oh ghod, I'm not saying this to brag. //horrified I'm saying, it's Just Me, like the colour of my eyes or the length of my fingers, but it is also A PROBLEM. It is not a lifestyle I would recommend. Altho maybe I could get a cutesy Salon.com type article out of it, who knows.)
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[personal profile] kore 2019-04-18 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Also because librarians get first pick of the withdrawn books, so they can build a personal library basically without even trying if not careful.

Oh, how that happened to me. I was a work-study student in libraries all through college (which involved, like, two different private colleges, a community college, and two state U's). And then I worked in a small not-used bookstore and we got first pick of all the ARCs that got sent to the owner by publishers to see whether or not he would sell the book. And we had employee discounts, and he let us use those on top of special discount sales. And....yeah.
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[personal profile] kore 2019-04-18 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
YES GOOD

We were here for Nisqually (the big earthquake in 2001) but were living in a much "bigger" space (a converted basement which also included unfinished garage) and I had a lot fewer....well no come to think of it I didn't have fewer books. I had fewer bookshelves. Which is another thing I never see in these articles. A lot of the time bibliophile types have libraries that overflow the bookshelves, but they also just don't have ENOUGH bookshelves. Did you see those pictures of Neil Gaiman's library in his basement? It was the library of someone who FINALLY had ENOUGH BOOKSHELVES. It was like the entire refinished basement.

....speaking of digital archiving, I just tried clicking on the original link for those photos in a Shelfari blog, and got taken to "Shelfari has merged with Goodreads. Take a look around and let us know if you have any questions or need any assistance." The internet is forever, but the internet also eats information like children eat candy. If not for the wayback machine....

https://web.archive.org/web/20120107224158/http://blog.shelfari.com/ronbrinkmann/2009/08/gaimans-bookshelf-details.html

(I remember when I showed those photos to my partner. He turned white.)
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[personal profile] thenewbuzwuzz 2019-04-18 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, that's one of the things that sound really good about it.
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[personal profile] kore 2019-04-18 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I only took ten books a semester to college! I was going to Be Good and Enjoy The Amazing Resources Of The University! It sort of backfired, because me getting into fanfic is 100% due to the fact that I didn't have my Harry Potter books to re-read sophomore year, so I had to find an alternative...

Oh man, I don't even know what might have happened if I'd had a reliable internet connection in college. (I was in the generation where you still had to go to the campus computer center to download your mail.)
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[personal profile] kore 2019-04-18 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
yesssssss this has made me happy thank you (categorization kink!)
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[personal profile] kore 2019-04-18 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahahah yeah that was just a bit after me, I was in grad school and living off-campus, so I used the shadow.college.edu dialup server from home which meant only in the evening and on weekends and it was always also conking out. We didn't have reliable at home cable service until we moved here in 1999! And even then, it took SO LONG to download one Tori Amos song snippet.
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[personal profile] owl 2019-04-18 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Surely X is not a fixed number, but is solved to "several books less than the number of books that fit onto the available shelf space in your living space" :D
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[personal profile] stellar_dust 2019-04-19 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
(didn't i give you a fisheye lens to use with your phone? :D )
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[personal profile] ambyr 2019-04-22 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Also because librarians get first pick of the withdrawn books, so they can build a personal library basically without even trying if not careful.

Oh god this. I have a firm rule that nothing I acquire from work goes home until after I've read it and made a conscious decision to keep it, and the practical side effect of this is that I just end stuffing all my cubical file cabinets with books.

I own a lot of books because the thought of a perfectly good book being thrown away makes me sad, not because I view them as a Status Symbol or anything to do with my intellectual worth. I am honestly kind of baffled at the amount of money some people spend on buying books. I mean, I'm glad they do, because they're keeping authors and publishers afloat. But for me, books are dust bunnies: things that accumulate constantly if you don't keep up with your sweeping.