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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote 2014-12-10 02:29 am (UTC)

Also! More comment because I wrote your original reply while I was late to work and two family members kepttrying to talk at me. :P

DD's said on her Tumblr that there are plenty of wizards who are under other kinds of Oaths, so I don't know that it would keep Rihannsu from becoming wizards, but on the other hand... I kind of suspect that there are a lot of Romulan wizards, but the Romulan empire is very, very sevarfrith, and most of them die very, very young, and very few make it to the point where their wisdom outstrips their power. There are a lot of young Romulan wizards and a lot of dead Romulan wizards but not very many old, living ones. (Bets that H'daen tr'Khellian is, if not ch'Rihan's Planetary, then at least a good friend of hers?)

I don't think the Vulcans would have given it up - there's no reason c'thia should be opposed to wizardry, and every reason it wouldn't be - but I suspect that they're in rather the opposite position of Romulans: there's not a lot of errantry needed on Vulcan these days, and the Powers don't call unless you're needed, so there are very few Vulcan wizards; most of them live long lives and rarely go out on errantry (though when they do, it's pretty spectacular.) Vulcan's astafrith - it would be illogical to be otherwise - but like many parts of Vulcan culture, wizardry is something that is not spoken of unless in great need. (Sarek and Amanda are clearly wizards - Amanda becomes Vulcan's planetary eventually, of course - and that's part of their friction with Spock. The Underliers are allies of the One but had a strange Choice and handle wizardry in a very different way.

....the thing about ST:TOS + YW is that, per Wounded Sky, we know that somewhere out there is a universe where the Lone Power is a reflection of the crew of the Starship Enterprise. So IDK. If any of them are wizards, they're wizards who owe allegiance to the Hesper as much as the One - and that probably sets them apart from most other wizards in their universe, and always has, even before they taught Death to the One...

{K's't'l'k, being K's't'l'k, takes a great deal of gentle pride in the young wizards who occasionally address her as 'fairest and fallen'. McCoy took a little bit longer to get used to it. Kirk decided to settle for 'bemused'. Amanda took one look at Spock, after, and told him she was proud of him.}

....somebody still really needs to write me fic about the Lone Power who is made of the bridge crew of the Enterprise, by the way, and how They look to the wizards in Their universe.)

As for the question of cultures that have open wizardry also being sevarfrith - IDK. I think the question of why any given culture is sevarfrith is left really open by canon? That hasn't been explored much. I certainly don't see why the existence of certain magics being open should mean that the entire network of wizardry under the Oath would have to be in the open, though - after all, magic is just another form of technology, and we have technology that's open and wizardry that's hidden. "Magic is real" is an entirely different thing for a culture to deal with, collectively, than "certain children are given special powers by God, and take oath to a separate command structure, and go out to fight a galactic-wide war."

...actually now that I've put it in those terms it makes perfect sense that the 616 Earth would be sevarfrith, because mutants. Mutant politics tell you everything you need to know about why 616 Earth is sevarfrith. And Cap can keep secrets if he's convinced of the need, can't he? Although it's true I don't really see him as a wizard - his talents lie elsewhere.

(IDK, I still don't know enough about Galactic to be sure about anything, but having thought about it, from what I have read, Thanos is a major, major force in Galactic Marvel, and in a galaxy where one of the most important political movers is BLATANTLY an avatar of the Lone One, it kind of makes sense that wizards would want to keep the ability to move secretly as much as possible.

...somebody write me the fic about Gamora's Ordeal. 616 or MCU, either one. :P)

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