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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2013-05-14 10:37 pm

How To Write, With Victor Hugo

Occasionally in lesmiseres chat I encourage people to turn their fanfic into epic historical digressions or side stories about minor characters and say I'm learning how to write good by studying the Brick.

I think they think I'm kidding. But actually I greatly admire the Victorian writing style where nobody ever shoved "show don't tell" in authors' faces, and not everything was about focusing claustrophobically down on "the meat of the story". And they can't have had it all wrong - they were the ones who turned the novel into the linchpin of popular culture, after all.

So here, for your delectation, are the first two weeks' worth of writing exercises in a program I've been working up for myself. ^_^ I'm seriously thinking of setting up some kind of community for working through these... (If anyone wants the blank Scrivener file with this set up in it, I can upload that too...)

ETA: I should note for people coming in without context that these are just chapter-by-chapter summaries of the novel Les Miserables - I didn't put a lot of effort into carefully crafting them!

1     1.1.1


Tell a character's entire life story (1500 words or less)


2     1.1.2


Show a character's personality by describing their household and household budgets (2000 words or less)


3     1.1.3


Describe a character doing their job well (800 words or less)


4     1.1.4


Demonstrate what a character does by telling us things they have said (2500 words or less)


5     1.1.5


Give a typical day in the life of a character, hour by hour (1000 words or less)


6     1.1.6


Describe a character by writing about their house and its contents, room by room (2500 words or less.)


7     1.1.7


Give an anecdote about a time a character did something that everybody advised them against that turned out well anyway. (1500 words or less.)


8     1.1.8


Two acquaintances with fundamental disagreements discuss them (1500 words or less.)


9     1.1.9


Someone who loves a character describes them to someone else (1500 words or less.)


10     1.1.10


A character has a deathbed conversation with a stranger (5000 words or less.)


11     1.1.11


Describe how a character's political views have affected their daily life (2000 words or less.)


12     1.1.12


Describe a character's career ambitions (or lack thereof.) (1500 words or less.)


13     1.1.13


Tell what a character believes in as articles of faith (religious or otherwise.) (1500 words or less.)


14     1.1.14


Tell how a character thinks, how much they value learning and philosophy. (1000 words or less.)

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[personal profile] verity 2013-05-15 06:50 am (UTC)(link)
Ooooooooh (I would happily take that scrivener file!)
Edited 2013-05-15 06:51 (UTC)
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[personal profile] lettered 2013-05-15 06:50 am (UTC)(link)
ahhhhhh. I have so many thoughts about this. Mainly related to serial fiction and how fanfic is also serial fiction and so you do see all of this stuff so much more in fanfic than in profic and media. I mean, you can't make a movie about superheroes brushing their teeth and walking their dogs, but you can write fanfic about it. However, you could write a book that's both about superheroes kicking ass and brushing their teeth, but an editor will tell you to take out the teeth-brushing because that's no the way we "do" books these days.

I have noticed this especially with one of my favorite fanfic authors that went pro--I loved her fanfic because she had the characters sit around having long long conversations, and that wasn't in her novels. And she has said that she wrote the long long conversations, and editors made her ax them. But maybe part of the reason we got long long conversations and teeth brushing in Vic lit is because of serial format?

And another thing, I find the "show vs tell" thing interesting, because 19th c authors managed to show a whole lot by telling. The problem with telling and not showing is if you tell the reader who the character is and then proceed to show them the exact same things. But in Vic lit, I always felt like I was told a whole bunch and that what I was shown was additional information that supplemented rather than repeated.

I also think it's interesting because when you show everything and don't tell anything you actually get pieces that feel more Victorian, because you're getting all the teeth brushing and the dog washing. My problem is showing far too much and being afraid to just say the things it would be very simple to say because I want the reader to figure them out. I wish people would stop harping on the show vs tell for this reason--it's a balance, not either/or.

Last, it frustrates me so much when people talk about "rules of writing" and they're not talking about SPAG. Things like "adverbs are a no-no"--people act like you just shouldn't use them; they're always bad, and I just--dude, you're saying over an entire century of lit is just awful. That's stupid. It even irks me when people encourage breakage of these "rules" by saying, "Know the rules before you break them." It should be, know the current convention and popular style, so you can decide when to use it and understand that you'll throw readers out when you don't.

OMG anyway so many feelings.
Edited 2013-05-15 06:52 (UTC)
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Thank you!

[personal profile] ysabetwordsmith 2013-05-15 06:51 am (UTC)(link)
There is no one true way. Thank you for posting exercises to this effect.
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[personal profile] perfectworry 2013-05-15 12:05 pm (UTC)(link)
So here, for your delectation, are the first two weeks' worth of writing exercises in a program I've been working up for myself. ^_^ I'm seriously thinking of setting up some kind of community for working through these...
I'd definitely be interested in a community like that. These look great.

([personal profile] ysabetwordsmith posted a link to this, if you're wondering who I am (Frances J., pleased to meet you) and where I came from.)
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[personal profile] bessemerprocess 2013-05-15 12:32 pm (UTC)(link)
This looks both fun and intriguing, especially as I now have time to write again.
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[personal profile] ellen_fremedon 2013-05-15 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I love how these are all things Hugo does just with the Bishop alone, before Valjean is even introduced.
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[personal profile] redsixwing 2013-05-15 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi, I linked in from ysabetwordsmith's blog.
These exercises are excellent and I'd like to use them for a daily-writing meme. Is that all right with you?
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[personal profile] firebirdschild 2013-05-15 04:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Here by way of Ysabetwordsmith....

This is a really good set of open ended questions to work from. Thanks for posting it where the rest of us can see. I think I'll snag a copy to go try working with.

And hey, I was just thinking recently about seeing if I could get a bunch of writers together to form a small group who could encourage each other and toss exercises back and forth etc. I do want to find a group of people though who are willing to be open-minded because myself and other people I know like writing fanfiction and want to be able to share that as part of a writing group as well as original fiction. And it turns out that finding a writing group for that is pretty hard. Let me know if you happen to find anything of that ilk please? For that matter, let me know if you might be interested in joining a group of that sort if I decided to start one myself because I can't find one!
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[personal profile] carmarthen 2013-05-15 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, no, I assumed you were dead serious. Good stuff to think about, and I like the idea of turning Les Miz into a writing exercise.

I do kind of feel like a lot of things that work in a brick or in fanfiction that has the weight of canon behind it might not in standalone original fiction, though, which is one of the hurdles of the fan-pro transition (they might work in original novels, if editors would permit).
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[personal profile] carmarthen 2013-05-15 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Tangentially, I've been thinking for a while that a modern editor would make Sutcliff cut 75% of her books (goodbye nature porn and quiet domestic moments) and add more romance, turning them into standard teen adventure books and losing most of the emotional power on the way. Conventions of the day are awfully strong in shaping what people think of as good writing.
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[personal profile] lannamichaels 2013-05-15 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh, this is really tempting. If I'd had this, I might actually finish NaNoWriMo again *and* come out of it with something presentable.
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[personal profile] lannamichaels 2013-05-15 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)

Well, more presentaable than my last NaNo, which is not presentable at all. ;)

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[personal profile] firebirdschild 2013-05-15 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)

I'm not really planning to have much in the way of deadlines if I come up with a writing group. More like exercises that people participate in when the mood strikes them and maybe a weekly or monthly trade off where people read and comment on things for each other. Maybe have occasional exchanges with deadline but mostly a place with lots of prompts and encouragement for people to cone share their work and get feedback on it and support to keep going when they are struggling.

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[personal profile] redsixwing 2013-05-15 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Awesome, thank you very much! :D
I'll make sure to credit appropriately. XD
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[personal profile] carmarthen 2013-05-15 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry, I left out a crucial word: short fiction. While I don't think anyone but Hugo can pull off Hugo, I think a lot of these techniques would (and occasionally do) work fine in modern novels, if authors can get them past editors, which is rare (but look how popular Jonathan Strange and Mr Norell was! The question, I guess, is whether one can get away with it in a novel that's not consciously pastiching 19th century novels).
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[personal profile] carmarthen 2013-05-15 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
But not so well, I think (almost all of her books are out of print, and most of the ebooks got pulled--although they're still releasing more so idk, maybe that was a publisher switch--I hope the new ebook publisher believes in proofreading and formatting, and also releasing ebooks in the US). And I think a lot of Sutcliff's readers now are adults--is she still popular with her original target age group? I think a lot of her original readers were preteens, an age group that's now being targeted with far simpler writing, and YA now is almost an obligatory romance genre. I see a lot of reviews on Amazon from kids who had to read Sutcliff in school and got bored.

I'm starting to think my reading tastes are shifting away from what's being published right now, too, which is frustrating because I still love SFF as an idea genre, but I'm not a huge fan of older SFF, and I'm not always thrilled with execution in more recent stuff.
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[personal profile] sixbeforelunch 2013-05-16 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
(Here via random clicking.)

This looks really interesting. I may use this format to get into the head or one of more of my OCs. Thanks very much for the idea. :)
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[personal profile] kelly_holden 2013-05-16 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
That's describing the Bishop? The one that get about six lines in the musical? Wow.
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[personal profile] firebirdschild 2013-05-16 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)

I'm still chewing on this one but I do think that I'm going to start something up. I'll drop you a line in a couple weeks when I get it put together, how's that sound? Because frankly, you seem like a neat person that I'd enjoy tossing things back and forth with.

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[personal profile] zlabya 2013-05-17 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Your writing exercises are marvelous, and so wonderfully tempting.
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[personal profile] meridian_rose 2013-05-26 11:18 am (UTC)(link)
Here via same route as above commentator and I'm going to consider using this as a meme too, so thank you :) (And I'll credit Hugo, also!)