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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2017-09-12 07:05 pm

Not-exactly-fmk: Gor and Yuletide

So in FMK reading adventures, I finally finished the first Gor book, that was voted K early on but I decided I wanted to read before dumping just so I could say I had.

I should have trusted y'all: it was mostly just incredibly pointlessly bland, occasionally rising to actively annoying. It wasn't even really bad enough to be interestingly bad. There was a lot more flying around on giant soulbonded warbirds than I expected, tbh (somehow I had though that Tarnsman meant "man of the mountain lake country" but I think that was giving him too much credit for having a vocabulary,) but the warbirds are so badly wordbuilt and lacking in individual personality and the flying scenes so lacking in joy that the only time I actually cared about them was when the abused half-starved ones were about to eat the MC and I roused enough to cheer them on. The plot is built on bad characterization and improbable coincidences; the language aspires to basic competence; you can very easy disassemble it into its component stereotypes; and all sense-of-wonder or hints that the MC is not a sociopath are missing. Also amused that the author refuses to comment on whether it's John Carter of Mars fanfic (it's really badly done John Carter of Mars fanfic, omg.) I understand the series gets far more batshit later, but I don't think I need to read far enough to find out.

Also, thank you all for your help with picking a yuletide nomination! I shall be ignoring the clear preference of the poll, and nominating Mr. Trash Wheel RPF. He didn't win, but he did win the vote of everybody I know who has taken a selfie with him, and their votes count 10x, sorry.

(this is Mr. Trash Wheel: )

I will also be nominating Professor Trash Wheel and a five foot long West African Ball Python as characters, of course. I am stuck on who should be my fourth nom, though. A modular robotic eel that hunts for water pollution? Lynyrd Skymmer? Some other celebrity of the waters that I don't yet know about?


Clearly there's a market for Always Coming Home, though. Someone else should nominate it. (If I requested it, it'd just be as "tell me a story of the Valley", so I don't care about characters.)


Meanwhile, I re-read The Girl With The Silver Eyes to prepare to nominate. That one does hold up very well! Things I had forgotten about this book: the muumuu wearing old fat lady who lives alone with her cats and her books and gives no fucks and is #rolemodel. The fact that Katie can TALK TO CATS. The constant references to other YA fantasy/sf novels by the same imprint that she is reading. How much this book distrusts all adult men. How much this book also distrusts all non-readers. How yes they have psi powers and are super-smart, but they're also explicitly non-neurotypical in a way that read a lot more Autism Spectrum than any of the books about supposedly autistic kids that I was reading at the time, and that's more of an issue for them than the psi powers.

The book really needs an active fandom if only so we can have epic fanwars about whether they go to the school or stay home. (9-year-old me wanted BOARDING SCHOOL BOARDING SCHOOL but adult me is like NOOO DON'T DO IT so I guess we'll just have to have the fight between ourselves. And whoever I can rope in via yuletide.)

Anyway I am stuck for character noms there too, because I want all the kid characters but I also want Mr. C, Mrs. M, Miss K and Jackson Jones.
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2017-09-13 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
So the Gor book didn't even have any kinky parts? What I heard about the series was that it was some kind of sadomasochistic rape-torture fantasy, which might work for my ID-fic buttons, but also that it wasn't well written, which is why I have never tried it.

Also the line between "hot" and "icky" is a tricky one in rape-torture fantasies, of course it varies for readers, but my trust in male authors to not slide onto the wrong side of my tastes isn't great. But it is hard to tell from reviews because many reviewers just wouldn't like any.
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2017-09-13 12:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, probably. It is also always vaguely embarrassing for me to read fiction where an author clearly wants to write kink, but doesn't seem to realize it.

And I am always baffled when that happens with any of the "BDSM" type of fantasies, because the major ones are all such a common set of kinks, and not hard to realize even pre-internet. I mean when I was a wee baby-RatCreature in those pre-Internet days I realized what kinds of (all vaguely disturbing, but hot to me) kinks appeared in my fantasies way before I had any attraction to specific (kinds of) people, and it was far more consistent. Actually the same kinds of fantasies only evolved into explicitly sexual ones with puberty.

But I mean, when I went looking for written porn as teenager before the internet was around, I obviously went to look to find a paper copy of De Sade's Justine because it was the famous work, and then alternated between "yes, this!" and "ick, no!" depending on the details. Anyway, considering this kind of fantasy is pretty much the most famous kind of porn around since at least the 1800s, it can't have been hard to realize what's going on with your ID even in the 1960s.
Edited (typo) 2017-09-13 12:03 (UTC)
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[personal profile] cypher 2017-09-13 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
And it's always so obvious when the author is doing that! Terry Goodkind, I am looking at you. If you want to write stories about your self-insert being collared and forced to obey a beautiful woman, there is a market for that, but it's a market that will be better reached if you are straightforwardly writing the collaring-and-obedience story instead of trying to repeatedly shoehorn it into fantasy doorstoppers. Everyone can tell that's exciting to you. Except you, apparently.
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2017-09-13 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never read Goodkind, but it sounds like I'd totally be into the porny bits, only it's not really worth it if you only get that pay-off on less than fifty pages out of a thousand...
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2017-09-13 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess you can't account for people's weird internal hang-ups.
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[personal profile] ambyr 2017-09-13 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
Did I tell you someone at the Halloween party I attended last year went as Mr. Trashwheel? It was AMAZING.
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[personal profile] the_rck 2017-09-13 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
I should find my copy of this and reread it. I think I know where it is.
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[personal profile] the_rck 2017-09-13 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
On a different topic-- If you haven't moved since Feb 2016, I have your address and can send that Silver John book when I go downtown in an hour.
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[personal profile] the_rck 2017-09-14 12:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Mailed it yesterday.
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[personal profile] oracne 2017-09-13 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I have met John Norman. For reals.

*mic drop*
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[personal profile] oracne 2017-09-13 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
He used to come to our local con (Philcon). He creeped me out, though on the surface he was just a well-dressed, average white guy. The sort who always thinks he's right and you're wrong.
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[personal profile] ceb 2017-09-13 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG. You are so clearly Right about Mr Trash Wheel.
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[personal profile] genarti 2017-09-13 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
For the fourth character, what about that photoshopped shark that shows up in major streets of every natural disaster involving water?

Also, you have reminded me once again that I really should reread The Girl With The Silver Eyes.
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2017-09-13 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Now you've made me really want to write a Girl with Silver Eyes 5+1 where they go through different post-book outcomes.

Also future fic. Where they meet Eleven from Stranger Things. And they also meet the boys from stranger things. Because I am only just now realizing that these are basically happening at the same time! Katie is just a little bit older than those kids!
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[personal profile] genarti 2017-09-13 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Do iiiiiiiit
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[personal profile] oracne 2017-09-13 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I WOULD READ THIS SO HARD.
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[personal profile] finch 2017-09-14 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
Iiiiit just so happens I haven't used my third nomination slot and also I love that book. Tell me who to nominate.
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[personal profile] zlabya 2017-09-15 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
I really want to read Mr/Prof Trash Wheel RPF!!

Now I have to read The Girl WIth The Silver Eyes, and get my bff, who is on the spectrum and loves fic about young women who are smart, to read it too.