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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2008-10-06 11:55 pm

Specially meme-scented entry!

So I have been trying not to get to emotionally involved with the politics (though I still want to do that "Sarah Palin or TGP: Who Is More Qualified?" point-by-point comparison), but I have been following pretty closely. And OMG, if Obama takes the South? That will be not only win, it'll be the most important thing to happen in American politics in my *lifetime*.

1. Comment on this post.
2. I will give you a letter.
3. Think of 5 fictional characters and post their names and your comments on these characters in your blog.

[ profile] stellar_dust gave me "D".
...I had a list of twenty-five characters to pick from, and that was before I checked my notes. So, um, have the short list as meme x 3.

And hey, while I'm at it, why not give me two numbers between 1 and 15 and I'll write you a comment-fic where those two characters meet. :D (Random or calculated, I don't even care.)

1. Doctor Who: The DoctorDonna. Okay, Donna is awesome. Donna is the best companion to show up on New Who, and I include Jack in that, because she's the only one who really does a good job with what a companion is *for*. To be his equal and his partner - not as good as him in some ways, but better than him in some ways, and perfectly satisfied with that state of affairs. Donna's ending, as much as it sucked in many ways, pointed that right up: Half Time-Lord Donna isn't suddenly the Doctor's equal, she's his *superior* in *every* way. And I really hope we get to see some more of that better-than-a-Time-Lord coming out in the Doctor half of the DoctorDonna,too. Oh Donna. Donna love. plus she needs to meet Time Lord!Ace. And do sexings.**

2. Stargate: Daniel Jackson. Seriously, in order to enumerate the many things that Daniel Jackson is, I would need way more than this meme allows. I love that he still wears glasses so he can be an action-hero role model for nerdy kids. I love that he is the Adversary, Star of the Morning, sauntering vaguely downward. I love that he really could have been Alan Shore (who also gives off a distinct whiff of Milton), if things had turned out just a tiny bit different, in more than one way. Oh, and I also have a kink about as wide as a mountain for cunning linguists.**

3. dueSouth: Diefenbaker. I wasn't expecting to like Dief as much as I turned out to (though I was expecting that I would, some) but what fic doesn't, can't, quite carry over from film is just how much of a dog he is. It's believable that he comes off as human as he does because *any* dog you love seems very human. And Dief is hard not to love. And I could write entire essays just on constructions of reality in the episode "Diefenbaker's Day Off" because if there's one thing this show hits just right in its version of magical realism, it's the question of how much of what we see as human in Dief is real and how much is constructed, and, oh, Dief. Also, totally half-Whifferdill.

4. Harry Potter: Albus Dumbledore. I was a fan of Dumbledore slash well before it was trendy, just so you know. Somewhere I have saved a copy of an unfinished smut scene by Letterblade, written before book five, with young Albus and one of McTabby's Slytherin OCs, and it was *scorching* hot and did interesting things to my emerging libido. That Dumbledore was always set up as an ambiguous figure in terms of morality, far more than even Snape, is something not *nearly* enough fans ran with and I was quite delighted when JKR took it up instead.**

5. Highlander: Duncan MacLeod. Duncan's one of those characters - maybe the first I encountered in media fandom - who has authentic sexual tension with *everyone* in the room. He gets shunted aside or dismissed as the Boy Scout by far too much of the fandom - maybe because he's just such a large and looming prescence that the eye slides away - but he's incredibly complicated and mysterious and full of -things-, and as much as Joe and Methos hit *all* my character kinks, when I want to write Highlander epics they somehow end up being all about Duncan instead. Joe and Methos, when it comes down to it, are pretty simple guys. Duncan - is not. And maybe part of it's inconsistent writing, but I just want to sit down and figure him out. And I haven't managed yet.**

6. From Eroica with Love: Dorian red Gloria. Dorian is fabulous. On the one hand, it's amazingly fun to have a canonically flamboyantly gay character to play with (...and a canonical "everybody's gay" universe.) On the other hand, Dorian himself is a fascinating character, because he uses the stereotype to hide behind, and there's *so much* he's hiding, and because the story dates to the '70s and '80s, that works it a way it wouldn't with a more recent gay character.**

7. Barrayar: Donna/Dono Vorrutyer. So, I adore Lady Donna, despite the fact that she never actually appears in person in the books, because we get to see so much of what her life was, but always *distanced*, and that almost makes it easier to let it be true, because wow would it be hard to actually live that life. And as much as I love Lady Alys and Ekaterin and Cordelia and all the others, I think to really explore what it's like to be a woman of the Vor, I would have to turn to Lady Donna. But Lady Donna turns away from Lady Donna, takes the obvious route to power in a society with male primogeniture and advanced body modification technology. And of course all the women and half the men fall for Lord Dono, because how *couldn't* you, laughing and strong and dark in the first flush of his power and grace, but at the same time I can't help wondering how Lord Dono feels about Lord Dono ... because surely there are better reasons to fundamentally shift your identity than giving a massive fuck-you to the world. But that doesn't actually mean that fuck-you-all was a *bad* reason...**

8. Boston Legal: Denny Crane.

Denny Crane.**

9. Discworld: Cut-Me-Own-Throat Dibbler. So I could have gone here with Detritus, or Death, or the Death-of-Rats, or even Dorfl, but I'm really quite fond of ol' CMOT Dibbler. He's always so very himself, completely mad and reassuringly constant in a chaotic world and city, living proof that there's nothing wrong with the occasional one-dimensional character. He's a useful touchstone in a fictional universe that's sometimes just a little bit *too* expansive - because there's always a CMOT Dibbler, one way or another. And anyway I have a great affection for the person that Robert Benchley calls "the man in the derby hat," the person who always seems to be at the scene of historic events and always seems completely unaffected by them. CMOT just takes that one step further.

10. Lord Peter Wimsey Mysteries: Honoria Lucasta Delagardie Wimsey, the Dowager Duchess of Denver. She keeps demon cats, which is somehow far more endearing than keeping spoiled lap-dogs; she has the same love of quotation as her son, but is much worse at getting it right, and therefore much easier to pretend to be; she is very wise, but not terribly fond of living wisely; she is a "strong female character" in the sense of having a strong *personality* rather than anything else, which is how we ought to always mean "strong female character", for that is what strong male characters are allowed to be; and she is who I want to be when I grow old.

11. Robert A. Heinlein's Word As Myth: Adorable Dora/The Gay Deciever. So okay, this is technically two characters, but they both start with D and they're OTP, so they're allowed. Dora and Gay are, of course, AI spaceships, with typical Heinlein Girl personalities that make me feel vague feminist guilt about liking them so much. But unlike the land-based AIs, no desire to have any bodies other than their own. Also Dora was specifically designed to not fall in love with humans, and Gay earned her true AI capacity in Oz, so they are the least sexualized characters in that entire run of Heinlein. And yet they are still totally OTP (nothing like shipping ships, srsly. Crossover ships, no less!) Also, it's the only pairing I know of where they use barroom topology and sea-lawyering to switch who tops! **

12. Red Dwarf: David Lister. I couldn't believe I'd gotten this far into the list and hadn't run into a single David. Dear creators: David is a perfectly good name, use it more! Possibly instead of "Sam" or "Jack" or "Cam". Anyway, Lister is an amusing character in his own right, and one of my role-models in life, and he always kind of reminded me of several of my more favorite uncles. He also had the distinction of being the first time I encountered a show (that wasn't a show about black people) where the primary lead wasn't white. And that is awesome on its own. (And still one of only two SF shows I can think of that do.)

13. McKillip's Riddle of Stars: Deth, the High One's Harpist. Deth is one of my favorite characters of *all time*, and yet to talk about why would involve massive spoilers, and reading these books unspoiled is *worth it*, and I still cherish hopes of getting [ profile] stellar_dust to read them, so I can't say anything. But, seriously: Deth. And Danan Isig is awesome too. As is Duac of An. (...I once tried to plot out a crossover where the Riddle-world was actually set in the Highlander universe, post-Gathering, and Deth was Methos, but then I realized that I was being a *leetle* bit obsessive about making all my favorite charaters turn out to secretly be Methos.)**

14. Mairelon the Magician: Renee D'Auber. Smart, pretty, stylish, exotic, independent, clear-headed, straight-talking, non-conformist, fond of blowing stuff up, and completely immune to Mairelon's charm. Of course I've had a crush on her for ages. I'm also about half-convinced she's deliberately coded as lesbian. And she was a good friend of the Duchesse Delagardie, so she surely had a hand in raising up young Honoria. :D

15. The ler Trilogy: Morlenden Deren. This is the series I took my username from, because they have a really intricate and well-put-together system of naming, and the Derens are the family who are in charge of keeping track of names: hereditary cataloguers, if you will. (They also have a really intricate system of families.) Morlenden is head of the family in the first book, and he has the rare distinction of being an SF lead character who is perfectly happy in his life as it is - he's propelled into the adventure because the names and categories he keeps track of stop fitting the way they always have, and he's remarkably sensible and grounded about the whole thing.

...Yeah, I should probably stop there. Even if it means I have to leave out David Starr, and Mike Doonesbury, and Dick and Dorothea (the D's), and Diana Fowley, and Dick Grayson**, and Dickon Sowerby**, and Daystar, and Death**, and Doli the Dwarf, and ....

(** marks characters I have either written in fic or tried to write.)


[identity profile] pyratejenni [] 2008-10-07 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm masochistic.

Re: Sure.

[identity profile] pyratejenni [] 2008-10-09 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, I'll see what I can come up with.

[identity profile] stellar_dust [] 2008-10-07 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)

... how 'bout 1 & 10?
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[identity profile] melannen [] 2008-10-07 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)

Okay, ficlet is coming. (Can I resist making her a Companion? We shall see.)

[identity profile] stellar_dust [] 2008-10-07 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)

... sorry.

(Actually after last night's episodes someone REALLY needs to write a BL/TCR crossover. NOW.)

She can be a companion as long as she's companion to DOCTORDONNA.
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[identity profile] melannen [] 2008-10-07 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel your contribution does not entirely capture the proper intonation of that phrase.

--no, wait, he's *totally* a pretty sparkle princess, what am I talking about?

She can't be with DoctorDonna, that would be too much awesome in too small a space for the universe. She needs to be with a Doctor she can properly pwn.

[identity profile] stellar_dust [] 2008-10-07 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)
DENNY CRANE is a red, white, and blue sparkleprincess.

... also, hmph.

[identity profile] kadath [] 2008-10-07 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
14. Mairelon the Magician: Renee D'Auber

Cheating! Using that for D is like getting T and picking Peter the Great! :P

Is the Daystar you're talking about the one from the Enchanted Forest Chronicles? I ♥ those books. (I think Telemain is my favorite.)
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[identity profile] melannen [] 2008-10-07 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, in English it alphabetized under D! That's good enough for me.

And yes, that Daystar! &heart; Telemain too. She needs to write a Morwen&Telemain spinoff series.

[identity profile] kadath [] 2008-10-07 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, gimme a letter!

[identity profile] kadath [] 2008-10-08 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Last night I realized I need to see fic featuring 1 and 11, preferably pwning the immensely annoying Lazarus!
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[identity profile] melannen [] 2008-10-08 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)

Will ponder.

(Do you know that Dr. Who-verse is officially part of Long Family canon? The Time Lords are apparently one of the main adversaries of the Circle of Ouroborous. This has possibilities.)

[identity profile] kadath [] 2008-10-08 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Rilly? :D

It's been for-fucking-ever since I've read TEfL, #ofB, or anything after, and I kind of dun wanna because late Heinlein is...not so good.
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[identity profile] melannen [] 2008-10-08 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, the Dr. Who shout-out occurs toward the end of tCWWTW, which was a slog even for me at 13, and it gets harder the more actual good SF I read.

But doggoneit, I love how blatantly, self-indugently bad-fic-y it gets - massive puppy-pile with scads of random, bizzare pairings! the Crossover Mechanism of Doom! Surprise Incest! Blatant self-inserts of blatantness! - and whenever I feel like a better fic-writer should tackle it, I attempt to re-read, so I can try.

[identity profile] kadath [] 2008-10-08 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
CWWTW is him writing crossover fic of his own work. I respect his ability to get that published, at least. I credit ol' Bob with a lot of my blase reaction to some of the weirder stuff in both fan- and profic. "Well, at least it's not time traveling Oedipal incest."

...#otB-era Sharpie would make a good Companion for Ten, I think.

[identity profile] eleutheria [] 2008-10-08 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
I'd like to see Obama take the South too. Anything to hasten the Republican party crack-up and the blame-spreading. Maybe, just maybe, there's a chance for future sanity in here somewhere.

And sure, I'll bite on the fandom meme! I will also bite on the commentfic. Daniel Jackson and Denny Crane, please!
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[identity profile] melannen [] 2008-10-08 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. Y'know, fifty years ago, the South was a *guaranteed* win for us Democrats, because *they* were the Designated Bigot Party. What happened? (And wouldn't it be nice if the we didn't *need* a Designated Bigot Party anymore?)


...can it be movieverse!Daniel?

[identity profile] eleutheria [] 2008-10-09 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
What happened?

Is that rhetorical, or a "please, do blather about this!" opening? ;) Short answer= evangelicals disappointed by Carter invaded the GOP and plans developed among some of those elements for a ground-up "steeplejacking" campaign that has, sadly, nearly overrun my party. There are connections between these folks and racist groups, so... It sounds nuts, but it's all, sadly, true. And it's a serious affront and blasphemy to your religion.

Some people think, if McCain loses and the economic crisis is bad enough, that the GOP might collapse entirely. I can only think this is a good thing, honestly, as it might allow some of us to free ourselves of the elements that have been giving us such a bad name for so long. I'm still identifying that way because Arlen Specters and Olypia Snowes continue to exist. But we're rarer than dodo birds right now.

Sure it can be movieverse!Daniel! I like him better anyway. :)

N! N is hard, let me tell you. This has had me at Halopedia and my husband at IMDB half the night trying to find people in Star Wars and Andromeda who have "N" in their names. I'm sure there's got to be someone in The Wire, the cast is bloody damned huge, but I'll be darned if I can think of anyone. I'm set for my primary fandoms, though. Thanks for the brain-breaker!
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[identity profile] melannen [] 2008-10-09 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
It was half-rhetorical, but I'm always up for history!blather if the other person is willing! And I'd actually forgotten that the full-out shift had come so late (though in some ways it goes all the way back to the Dixiecrats and the fallout of the firstGreat Depression.)

We're overdue for a readjustment of the two-party system. And a collapse-and-rebirth would certainly get some energy back into the nothing-ever-changes Independents.

Yay movieverse! Some thinking to be done.

Eep, I didn't mean to give you a hard one - it was a random number generator, actually. (Still, better than being where I was with forty to choose from.)