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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2015-03-14 09:26 pm

jupiter ascending

So I went to see Jupiter Ascending to celebrate Pi Day.

WHY DIDN'T THE INTERNET WARN ME THAT WAS A HARD SF MOVIE.

Like. Seriously. I got to the point where they explained why the extraterrestrial love interest looked like Channing Tatum and it made sense and did not throw out evolutionary science, and after that point that movie could have betrayed me a LOT and I would have forgiven it, BECAUSE DO YOU KNOW HOW RARE THAT IS, and then it continued to BE SCIENCE-BASED and NOT BETRAY ITS OWN WORLDBUILDING.

DO YOU KNOW HOW RARE IT IS FOR AN SF MOVIE TO NEVER BETRAY ITS OWN WORLDBUILDING AND STICK TO 100% HARD SF CONCEPTS? THAT MOVIE TOOK TWO HARD SCIENCE IDEAS, "GENETIC ENGINEERING IS A THING" AND "SPACE IS REALLY REALLY BIG" AND THEN JUST LET THAT BUILD TO ITS LOGICAL CONCLUSION. IT WAS BETTER HARD SF THAN GRAVITY OMG.

yeah yeah sexy wolf-men with gravity boots whatever but OMG SCIENCE. SHE IS THE CHOSEN ONE JUST BECAUSE THE MATHS WORK OUT THAT EVENTUALLY THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A CHOSEN ONE BECAUSE WHEN THE NUMBERS GET THAT BIG EVERYTHING HAPPENS. MATH.

There are a bunch of ways I just expect a movie to betray me eventually and watching it is sort of like just counting down until the inevitable betrayal and this movie kept NOT DOING THAT. The internet had warned me about most of them so I was prepared to maybe not be betrayed in the standard ways? BUT NOBODY WARNED ME ABOUT THE SCIENCE. NOBODY WARNED ME THAT THIS WAS A REALLY SMART MOVIE BY PEOPLE WHO REALLY LOVE THE "SCIENCE" IN SF AND TRUST THE AUDIENCE TO ALSO BE SMART. WHY DID YOU NOT WARN ME.

that was a really good choice to celebrate pi day.
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[personal profile] alexseanchai 2015-03-15 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
...I need to see this movie.

...it is no longer in my local theater WHY.
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[personal profile] samjohnsson 2015-03-15 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
...tell us how you really feel?
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[personal profile] staranise 2015-03-15 06:32 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my god oh my god are you a person who understands the bees recognizing royalty thing??? Everyone makes noise about how the bee thing was stupid and random and inexplicable and I've been going NOOOOO about it forever, because to me it was the really big, "First you thought your world was being invaded by weirdness, but now bees recognize royalty and you realize your world was weird all along."

I just. I love this movie and I love how smart it is. I love it so much. And half its fans trash talk it and it makes me sad.
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[personal profile] genarti 2015-03-16 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! I mean, it's wacky and ridiculous, and I admit I expected bees to be more of a consistent plot thread through the thing, but it's perfectly in keeping with the rest of the worldbuilding. It's totally a hard SF space opera movie, just with the wish-fulfillment and sparkly trappings running along different lines than what one usually gets. Which, of course, is a large part of the delight of it.
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[personal profile] lotesse 2015-03-15 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
i haven't seen the movie (yet), but all the confusion over the bees has puzzled me mightily, because bees are a big trope associated with Queen Victoria in Victorian pop culture - she's the honey-sweet queen of the industrious empire/hive, Ruskin's busy tying gardens to femininity to queening. the Wachowskis playing with the trope makes total sense.
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[personal profile] zellieh 2015-03-15 08:16 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, I don't recall any 'Channing Tatum is an alien' explanation line specifically, but I came out with a definite idea that splices were humans with eg wolfy dna added to them? So technically, not aliens but more of a human-made artificial sub-species? So I was thinking less non-human-alien and more enhanced-human extra-terrestrial.

But if I missed a detail please do tell me, because I can talk about that movie approximately forever, with it's female gaze, and this is what female-centric sci-fi tropes would look like.

[Oh, let me quickly yell about male (& some female) reviewers missing the point by MILES, because female-centric emerging mythos (Brave, Frozen, Alien) = different & new cinematic revolution (for women!), not an incompetent bad & wrong failed attempt at trad male-centric sci-fi, or patriarchal chick-flick romance. (Channing Tatum is NOT the hero! Mila is NOT the love interest! It is NOT Cinderella-in-space!) Aaaargh!]

This film is BEAUTIFUL and I LOVE IT for trying to do something so new and still revolutionary. It's BETTER than Alien, because Jupiter wasn't written as a male character then cast as a woman, she was always female! And a POC, kind of! And lower-class and PROUD of it; like, she didn't like the work, but when she was literally offered the universe, her reaction was a mature and properly wary '...what's the catch?' and hen she refused the poisoned apple! And all her choices were about protecting her people from these dangerous space criminals, even the pretty, charming ones. And co-made by a woman! YAY!

Jupiter made me want the canon het pairing, and made me realise again that I slash in part because standard canon and tropes are so sexist, frustrating, and rage-inducing. Jupiter? I'm THERE, instantly, sold on it, no problems. (This must be what it's like to watch cinema as a white dude; I want more of it!) Also, I need a Jupiter icon. *goes to make some*
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[personal profile] staranise 2015-03-15 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
(you have advanced gengineering of course you would make buff shirtless wolfboys- after all you're only human. That doesn't even need explaining! I appreciate that they didn't bother. nobody ever bothers to explain sexy slavegirls after all

I'm dead of laughter. You're awesome.
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[personal profile] zlabya 2015-03-15 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Two things you wrote, and the movie has, that are made of awesome:
The bit about making buff shirtless wolfboys.
"Yeah they found a planet with compatible biochem and... OMG they went there without invalidating all of paleontology"

For-real hard SF is soooo rare in movies, and to have it include my favorite branch of science (biology) is making this fangirl weak.

Clearly nerdhusband and I must watch Jupiter Ascending on DVD.
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[personal profile] zlabya 2015-03-22 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
But at least it's not primarily mindless, science-less technobabble. And I have no problem with hotties in my science fiction. 8-D
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[personal profile] opusculasedfera 2015-03-15 12:41 pm (UTC)(link)
People get so distracted by silly things (SPLICED WITH A BEEEEEEE) they forget that "hey, so we CAN do the thing, who wants to see what happens?" is true in science as well as in movie brainstorming and is totally the logical end result of high-end magitech. That's practically hard-SF psychology.

It was just FUN and not annoying. :D
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[personal profile] opusculasedfera 2015-03-15 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect he only didn't have compound eyes because relatively well-known actor, certainly most of the background splices were joyously embracing the hilarious aesthetic possibilities.

(Someone was headcanoning elsewhere I believe about Stinger's having bee-like pattern recognition powers, based on that one bit with the warhammers and his eyes going honeycombed, which would be quite neat, but I honestly think it's more about lulzy BEE WINGS.)
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[personal profile] opusculasedfera 2015-03-15 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Not that I know of! But you have to think they'd be thinking about it!

There totally are, but you have to admit the movie gave us none of them, and it's possible it's supposed to be a slightly paranoid measure by the Entitled to assure that none of their genetic reincarnations go unnoticed in the areas the legion/marshalls are in charge of because bees can apparently sense royalty. Which is amazing plotbabble on its own, don't get me wrong.
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[personal profile] hvalrann 2015-03-15 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, this! I enjoyed this movie enough that I feel the need to emerge from my usual lurker state and agree with you, because this type of worldbuilding is what made it so cool.

My only complaint about the movie was that it would have been more awesome with more time on worldbuilding/character explanation and less time on blowing things up (which could mean shifting editing on what was already there but would be even better if it were part of a trilogy). Because then you could get more science, which usually isn't a plus in SF movies because the science is so bad. But with what science they did fit into the movie, I would believe that given more time, they would not have made the science worse.

And then we would have more time for bee wings.
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[personal profile] hvalrann 2015-03-18 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
You would definitely have to leave in the antigravity rollerblades. In fact, you could replace all the explosions with antigravity rollerblades & parkour stunts and it would be beyond awesome. The frantic explosions are just boring, in comparison.
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2015-03-15 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
your delight delights me :)
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[personal profile] dhampyresa 2015-03-15 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
The amazing thing is that the universe is so big that it makes sense that's there's a protocol for reoccurences, because it's big enough that anything can happen MULTIPLE TIMES.

I really should have known you would enjoy the science in this movie and told you, sorry. BUT WASN'T THIS MOVIE AMAZING OMG
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[personal profile] dhampyresa 2015-03-16 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
To befair, we don't know (iirc) if they're limited to the Milky Way or have expanded further which might increase the odds of a recurrence. Also, I'm not sure why you're limiting yourself to within Seraphi's lifetime?

But yes I meant that there's a protocol for adding recurrences in wills because it's happened before, not specifically that Seraphi's recurrence had happened before.

I got the impression that the Entitled are few in proportion (say, 1%), but their absolute number would depend on how wide this universe is, which I don't think we've any info on.
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[personal profile] schneefink 2015-03-17 12:29 pm (UTC)(link)
All the genetic engineering in the movie was so fascinating! I was especially wondering about the consequences for society: I understood that splices are created and then owned, but what about second-generation splices? Are there rules which splices are allowed to be able to procreate? Can splices be bought free, or are Caine and Stinger owned by the Legion? If there are free splices, and for several thousand years now, what's their standing in society? (And what about the androids?)

Also, what about children? How much control do parents have over the genes of their kids, I guess a lot. I'm curious what their opinion is on nature vs. nurture because I'm sure they did a lot of research on that.

So many cool questions :)
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[personal profile] schneefink 2015-03-17 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I read an interview with Lana Wachowski where she said that in her opinion the reason why recently so many SF/fantasy movies are sequels/remakes/adaptions/reboots (she mentioned Avatar as a rare exception) is because people in general, including people in the movie industry, wanted more security after 9/11. I never thought about that connection, but it sounds plausible.

I have soo many questions about Kiza. I didn't pay much attention to her when watching the movie and I'm looking forward to seeing her on DVD.
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[personal profile] schneefink 2015-03-20 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
That would be interesting, both for big SF movies and for big action movies in general.
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[personal profile] metanewsmods 2015-03-19 10:15 am (UTC)(link)
May we link this at [community profile] metanews?
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[personal profile] metanewsmods 2015-03-26 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
It works for us :)