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melannen ([personal profile] melannen) wrote2013-10-28 04:54 pm
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The Les Mis fanwork exchange I signed up for is going live in about an hour and a half. I wrote 7000 words in forty-eight hours for it. I may or may not link it here depending on if I decide it's terrible. :P

any, relevant to that, have poll:

Poll #14439 v. important question
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 58

which is harder?

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making good fanwork
13 (22.4%)

leaving good feedback for good fanwork
10 (17.2%)

trick question both are impossible
35 (60.3%)

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[personal profile] lannamichaels 2013-10-29 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
There is a deeper metaquestion to be had about the nature of "good". Who defines "good"? For a good fanwork, is it the author (one person or multiple coauthors) who defines good, or is it the reaction of the audience (multiple people, inability to get accurate data from all of them, is the difference between the hit count and the kudos+comment count the number of people who didn't like the fic?)? Do things get evened out? If I say it's good and someone else says it's bad, does it equal neutral? What makes a fic good? It's a complicated question.

But the person who defines good feedback is the person who receives it. Therefore, it's easier to please one person than to please the nebulous idea of the audience of people who might potentially read the fic.

Also, 42.
Edited 2013-10-29 02:53 (UTC)
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[personal profile] lannamichaels 2013-10-29 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, but how are you getting the data from the " some significant number of the theoretically possible audience" to the extent that you know it is significant? If your population approaches infinity, how will you know what a signficant N is?

Whereas you can survey the satisfaction of feedback where N = 1 (or slightly more than that with coauthored works, but it's rare that N > 5), so you can only ever know if feedback is good. You can never know if a fic is.

Also, I submit that authors are very easily pleased and if you point out a couple things you liked, you will make that author's day, thereby contributing more Goodness to the world. (Also, you are adding positive reinforcement to continue to get more fics, which you have defined as Good by giving positive feedback on it, thus contributing to your unbounded set's population)
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[personal profile] carmarthen 2013-10-30 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Also I wish to point out that statements such as "authors are very easily pleased", while they contain semantic meaning and may even be empirically provable, have very little evidentiary value, as nobody who finds feedback impossible to write is physiologically capable of integrating that statement in a functional manner. :P

I have noticed this effect!

(I find writing extensive feedback to take energy and time but usually not be difficult unless a story has really turned my brain inside out and I have to think about it for a while to formulate my thoughts, and I'm pleased by almost all feedback because most people seem to view typing "I enjoyed this story!" as an insurmountable task so if someone takes the time and effort to comment, hooray. [redacted cranky rant about how I don't like the current trend for making feedback a big fucking impossible deal so people get no feedback instead of 'I liked this' feedback, which no author in the history of ever prefers]. Feedback is the #1 way we can encourage people to write more of what we like. Feedback is power.)
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[personal profile] ysabetwordsmith 2013-10-29 07:02 am (UTC)(link)
I don't find either difficult.
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[personal profile] jain 2013-10-29 10:22 am (UTC)(link)
I'm in something of a writing slump at the moment, which is why both. But usually leaving feedback is the harder one.
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[personal profile] kate 2013-10-30 07:39 am (UTC)(link)
Hm. I find both mildly difficult, but also I find that the more I practice, the better I get at both. I've been feedbacking a lot more recently, and I've gotten rid of a lot of the prevarication I used to include (particularly about art). I feel a lot more confident (and willing) to feedback than I used to.

Also, just wanna say, that first comment thread gives me glee.